Daily Mail can't take vaccine debate:

A post of  with links back to whale.to (which is purely an information site) is not allowed although this post below with masses of industry fearmongering links, is.  Not surprising as the Daily Mail is the biggest purveyor of government propaganda, and is the UK's leading people shredder, Warmongering and Fearmongering tabloid.  Even BabyCentre a site owned by Merck allows proper vaccine debate, but we guess the media don't like to be reminded that investigative medical reporting over most medical matters died decades ago, and that they are just mouthpieces for the Corporations:

Hi John,
Promotion isn't limited to commercial products. The frequency with which you've mentioned your website within hours of registering concerned me as well as a number of our users. Once your suspension has been served, you're welcome to impart advice should users ask for help, but not to mention your website.

Kind regards,
Community Manager (april 2003)

This post is allowed, which is just industry fearmongering:
(3 Replies)Posted by: cyclingbabe  on 01/05/03 at 04:16 PM

are also more likely to suffer from ssevere complications including brain damage and death than if they have the vaccine

 These illnesses killed many children and adults alike before vaccines were introduced.

Personally I have looked after children with whooping cough (one of the most distressing things I have ever done), a brain damaged child after having measles, and a baby who was deaf and blind because her mother had caught German measles.

Vaccinations six common misconceptions about immunisations

“Measles is one of the most readily transmitted communicable diseases and probably the best known and most deadly of all childhood rash/fever illnesses.” WHO

The risk of complications varies with age. Infants under age 2 years and adults over age 20 have a 20% to 30% chance of complications, often requiring hospitalisation. School-age children have a 3% to 5% chance of serious complications.

German Measles or Rubella
“The virus runs its course in about three days. Although rubella is a relatively mild illness, it's very dangerous for a pregnant woman as it can cause birth defects from deafness to encephalitis (inflammation of the brain) and heart defects.”

“Rubella is not usually a serious disease in children, but it can be very serious if a pregnant woman becomes infected. When a woman gets rubella during pregnancy, especially during the first 3 months, the infection is likely to spread her baby and cause congenital rubella syndrome (CRS). Up to 20% of the infants born to mothers infected with rubella during the first trimester of pregnancy have CRS. CRS can result in miscarriage, stillbirth, and severe birth defects. The most common birth defects are blindness, deafness, liver and spleen damage, heart damage, and mental retardation.”

“Nearly one out of every 10 people who get diphtheria will die from it“. “The disease can be fatal - between 5% and 10% of diphtheria patients die, even if properly treated. Untreated, the disease claims even more lives.”


“In the United States, 3 of every 10 persons who get tetanus die from it. For those who survive, recovery can be long (1-2 months) and difficult. Muscle spasms usually decrease after about 2 weeks and disappear after another week or two, but the person may be weak and stiff for a long time. Other complications include breathing problems, bone fractures, high blood pressure, abnormal heartbeats, clotting in the blood vessels of the lung, pneumonia, and coma.”

Whooping cough /Pertussis causes a severe cough of several weeks duration with a characteristic whoop, often with cyanosis and vomiting. In young infants, the cough may be absent and disease may manifest with spells of apnoea. . Although pertussis may occur at any age, most cases of serious disease and the majority of fatalities are observed in early infancy. Major complications are pneumonia, encephalitis, and malnutrition, due to repeated vomiting, mainly in developing countries.

Pertussis can result in serious complications, including middle ear infections, pneumonia, convulsions (seizures), disorders of the brain, and brief episodes of stopped breathing. Pertussis causes about 9 deaths per year in the United States.

Before the availability of pertussis vaccine, pertussis was one of the most common childhood diseases and a major cause of death in children in the United States. Since widespread use of the vaccine began, cases have decreased by 99 percent, but about 5,000 to 7,000 cases per year are still reported. In immunized populations in the world, pertussis remains a major health problem in children and causes an estimated 300,000 deaths per year.

Polio attacks the nerve cells that control muscle movements, muscle weakness all over. Many people infected with the virus have few or no symptoms. Others have short-term symptoms, such as headache, severe constipation, bladder paralysis, tiredness, weak cough, hoarse voice, fever, stiff neck and back, and muscle pain and/or wasting. More serious problems happen when the virus invades nerves in the brain and causes paralysis of the muscles used in swallowing and breathing. Invasion of the nerves in the spinal cord can cause paralysis of the arms, legs, or trunk. Complications include paralysis, most commonly of the legs. Paralysis of the muscles that control breathing and swallowing can be fatal.

In very rare cases, the oral vaccine used to prevent polio can cause polio paralysis in persons who are vaccinated (1 in every 8.1 million doses) and in people who are close contacts of a vaccinated person (1 in every 5 million doses). About 8 to 9 cases of paralytic polio caused by the oral vaccine have been reported in the United States yearly. Research suggests that 120,000-180,000 polio survivors may be developing “post-polio syndrome.”


Mumps Serious complications of mumps are more common among adults than among children. Women may be at risk for spontaneous abortions if they get mumps during the first trimester of pregnancy.

Severe complications are rare. However, mumps can cause hearing loss, inflammation of the brain (encephalitis), and inflammation of the coverings of the brain and spinal cord (meningitis). Swelling of the testicles occurs in 15 percent to 25 percent of infected males. Other complications include deafness, arthritis, kidney and pancreas problems, deafness, and inflammation of the thyroid gland, ovaries, and breasts.

Meningitis can cause brain damage and death and the loss of fingers, toes or limbs if it becomes septicaemia, and may result in years of surgery.

Chickenpox quite apart from the itchy rash that can appear anywhere on the body, and I mean anywhere try looking after a child of 6 who has chicken pox spots everywhere (in her mouth, up her nose, in her ears, in her vagina, up her urethra) could hardly put a pin between the spots.

Women who acquire chickenpox during pregnancy are at risk for congenital infection of the foetus. Newborns are at risk for severe infection, if they are exposed and their mothers are not immune.

Before a vaccine was available, there were approximately 11,000 hospitalisations and 100 deaths from chickenpox in the U.S. every year. Less than 5% of adults are susceptible to infection with the chickenpox virus. Younger adults are more likely to be susceptible, and adults are more likely to die from chickenpox and complications of chickenpox than children.

Secondary infection of blisters may occur, bacterial infections that can involve many sites of the body including the skin, tissues under the skin, bone, lungs (pneumonia), joints and the blood. Other serious complications are due directly to the virus infection and include viral pneumonia, bleeding problems and infection of the brain (encephalitis). Reye's syndrome, pneumonia, myocarditis, and transient arthritis are other possible complications of chickenpox Cerebellar ataxia may appear during the convalescent phase or later. A very unsteady walk characterizes this.

I know what my children are having


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  Posted by: whaleto4  on 30/04/03 at 06:55 PM


[Edited by: alialiooo_host on Apr 30, 2003 8:36 PM]


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  Posted by: hollycolly  on 30/04/03 at 07:56 PM


for that link, that is exactly what I was looking for, thanks again.