Elk: Some are very natural. Some, very
few, but some were made by Lucifer as he dug in through our
surface to find the heat-range he liked.
then again, some of them are on the number 5, and number 4
planetary levels [beneath the Earth’s surface, the surface
being number 6 ]. Now, understand, when I speak
of number 5 and number 4, and on down, I’m speaking of solid
earth with caves. All right?
were made by the so-called gods, who originally came down to DNA
us. That was two alliances. One, we call the
Slopeheads, they were giants, 20-26 feet tall giants, who were
in alliance with the ones who we call the Lizard people.
They made an alliance to come to this planet to mine gold, and
Lizards, liking it hot, because they are from a series of three
planets that are nothing but sand—three dwarf suns that are so
hot it would blind them within a minute. They dug down.
They, literally, live underground, in beautiful (to them) cities
and towns, connected by tunnels and stuff, but underground on
were not comfortable up here on the # 6 level of Earth’s
surface—too cold, too windy. It was just not their
they said: “Look, we’ll take part of those [ primitive ]
humans of this planet, and we’ll go underground and we’ll
just mine x number of miles below. You’re used to this
up here, you take x amount [of primitive humans for slave
labor], and you do it up here.” And that’s how the
alliance was made.
alliance also said that there would be a people untouched by
either, to evolve naturally. That has happened, and
that’s our Sasquatch, Yeti, Bigfoot, and so forth.
the Lizards were, and are, extremely cruel taskmasters.
For whatever reason, I have never seen a female Lizard from
below, in my taking past trips or present.
Martin: Yes, I read that in your booklet,
Elk: So what has happened is, they took their
quota of human beings, took them digging tunnels and stuff,
going down, took them in to be miners.
in so doing, they’re quite the sex fiends, these beings, very
sex-minded. They raped men and women alike. Now,
these are male Lizards rapeing whoever they wanted.
these Lizards hardly ever got their slave people any more then
absolutely needed, for drink, let alone food. They were
really bad slave masters, and killing these people off,
prematurely, just through their own cruelty. And,
therefore, running out of their quota.
they started going up, sneaking up here, and grabbing more
people to take down there.
our “gods” up here (not the true God, understand), they were
much more pleasant, much kinder. They used shots and stuff
for their DNA, to make our Sasquatch more handleable, and more
to their need and liking, to do the mining up here. So,
they weren’t rapists, and stuff.
were pretty good people, really, to be honest with you, despite
the agenda. By the way, those people are the ones who, the
Slopeheads, are literally sculpted and are the heads that are on
there were a number of raids, and it was inexcusable. The
Lizards had broken the alliance many times, and were raiding the
“no one touches these” group, as well as taking some of our
so-called gods, down.
our gods decided: “This is enough. Let’s face it.
These Lizard people have done nothing but lie. And
they’ve broken the alliance many, many times over. So,
let’s just declare war, and say enough’s enough.
Let’s go down and save those human beings that they’ve got
down there, and pull them out, and try and destroy the Lizards,
and get them out of there, and get them off the inner-land.”
in so doing they realized that this surface, the Sun, was way
too bright. There were winds, and stuff like that.
These people have been down there, and bred, and so on and so
forth, for many, many, many, many years. They were not
used to sunlight. They were not used to cold. They
were just slaves, digging, and being raped, and eaten
alive—anything that these Lizard s.o.b.s wanted to do, they
our boys, our gods, went down to the next level, making more
tunnels on the way down, and connected, tunneled between giant
caverns. And in those caverns they created what we have on
this planet, but with a much dimmer Sun.
I did a misdeed, by accident. I’ve never seen a Moon
under there. The Sun is the Moon. At night, it gets
darker; in day, it gets lighter. It’s a fascinating
machine, this hovering Sun. And it’s not just in one
cavern, it’s in all these huge caverns, they’ve got this.
Martin: Now, I don’t want to get you
off-track. I want to stay on this track. But I want
to remember to ask you about the being that [Zulu Shaman and
Elder] Credo Mutwa referred to as Jabulon, the leader of the
Chitauli, or the Reptilians. Is THAT Lucifer, is that one
and the same?
Elk: No, no, no.
Martin: Totally different?
Elk: Well, yeah. He thinks he’s Top
Dog, because he is just like them, all thinking they are god,
they are Lucifer. He just thinks he is the Top Dog amongst
them. But he himself is being used by Lucifer, who is FULL
anyway, this Sun, again, in reality, is quite small, being that
it’s only two or three miles up. It pulls energy.
I looked at it just within the last, oh, three, four weeks,
trying to figure out what kind of power it has. It’s not
nuclear power, and yet it’s forever lasting. The gravity
situation, to make it levitate, I have no idea. But, I
have found out that it pulls power in from our actual Sun,
through the Earth’s skin and pores.
Martin: Boy, that’s interesting.
Elk: Yeah, it is really fascinating.
am connecting this discussion with certain Earth-healing
vortices, and with a number of pyramids here in the United
States, and the time cave.
are certain places you don’t dare walk onto, walk directly
onto the top, or be in, with a credit card, or anything.
Literally, the power is so great, that energy going in, and
back, and mixing, to power the Sun that is within that general
area of the time cave, or pyramid, or whatever, it just wipes
out your magnetic strip. It does the same thing with cell
phones. New batteries, I mean NEW, within an hour of
putting it in, you turn the battery on, within under 10 minutes,
your battery is drained. It burns film, when you go to
take pictures. Your film comes out just with this
orange/red coloration, like it’s been exposed to great heat.
You just can’t get good pictures from these spots. You
can get good pictures OF these spots, but not from
these spots. But that’s because the gods, with whatever
type of magic—I call it magic, not meaning that,
but—technology they use, have learned to harness our own
Sun’s solar power to power these false suns.
all of this environment was made, the plains were planted, and
the grasses growing, they built beautiful cities, oh, just
beautiful! The main building of each city is a cross
between the Aztec pyramid and the Giza pyramid. Just
beautiful, all stone. The ones that I’ve been to, if
it’s granite, it’s a white granite. Sandstone is
involved, and another kind. There is a black city, too,
all black, like a black obsidian, just absolutely gorgeous.
It doesn’t mean that it’s a bad city; that’s the rock that
was there that they could work with. And there’s another
city, down under Mexico—actually, if I can remember correctly,
under Mexico City—and it’s just beautiful! And it’s
much more Aztecian—a gold, gold-covered, beautiful thing.
And these are all over on this # 5 level of the Inner
Earth, just beneath us.
once they got everything growing, you know, they had plants
growing, they planted fish in the water, and so on, and so
Martin: Who are we talking about?
Elk: Our gods, up here, preparing to save those
who have been taken below. How they got away with it,
without the Lizards knowing, beats me, but they did.
got all this going, all this built. Once that was done,
they started drilling down to the next lower level, # 4,
and making tunnels. And in so doing, they also set-up many
traps between our surface and the ceiling, and the cavern sides,
that hold up the caves. They made many, many tunnels, many
side tunnels, all traps, all traps. And the only ones who
knew where these traps were, were the builders themselves, our
they went down and attacked the Lizards, and did like I told Mr.
Art. They did an excellent number on them. Many, on
both sides, were killed, including human slaves; many were
killed. A huge war went on down there. And the
Lizards were beat. And they ran off and licked their
got what we could—I say we, meaning our gods—we got what we
could and brought them up to the surface of # 5 level [ first
level below Earth’s surface], to let them stay 10
generations; however long those “generations” were, I do not
know. It was far longer than what you and I call a
was so they could get used to that sun, and what little breeze
they created, through many tunnels that they built, and so on,
so that they could safely come up to the surface, the #6 level,
and face an even stronger Sun, and stronger breeze, and so on.
the Lizards, over time, licked their wounds and regrouped, and
attacked. And our people, our gods, were hoping they could
make it through 10 generations.
they didn’t. They made it through about 8½, I think,
before the Lizards counter-attacked, driving our human people,
as well as our gods, up to this #6 surface. Your Navajo,
Arapaho, so on, they are really the miners from down
there—short stocky bodies, strong legs, strong arms.
They have yet to evolve into a more typical # 6 surface
dweller [the Earth’s surface upon which we live]; but
they’re doing good though.
Martin: So when they talk about coming up
through the Sipapu, and coming up from the Earth—
Elk: They know what they’re talking about!
Listen to them.
they [the Native Americans] are not the only ones.
Others have come up, in Africa, and all different continents.
Some of our Africans claim they came from above, now, and
that’s true. Some claim they came from below, up, and
that’s true. Some of them don’t know where they came
from, and that’s true, because they were created and always
stayed here on # 6 level.
the Lizards themselves made many tunnels, not only through the
drilling process, but preparing to counter-attack.
Martin: Now, were the Lizards independents?
Or, were they just associates of Lucifer?
Elk: They didn’t know Lucifer existed.
Do you understand that? Get that in your head.
Martin: Totally independent.
Elk: Totally believing they are god. They
can do anything they want, godly or ungodly. They don’t
even have a name for God, or a name for Lucifer. They have
their own name. They are ALL—so they think—just a big
con job. But nevertheless, they, in preparing to attack
the # 5 level, also made tunnels, with many traps.
the great chase was on. They came up and attacked
“our” guys on # 5, who were watching the kids grow (the
rescued ones, for the 10 generations), and they did a number on
our guys escaped with a number of the human beings who they had
rescued; many, many others never made it. They were all
killed. And they emerged, through certain areas across our
continents, and that’s where the stories “we came from Inner
Earth” came from. They did!
happened to our gods, our Slopeheads? It really is
something I don’t know.
know that the Lizards have remained. But the gods,
basically, have left. And by the way, I think I’ve got a
rather good idea what they did. They went to the dimension
that was not in our dimension, where this Earth is. They
were from another dimension, and they went home.
Martin: Let’s continue to talk about the
layers. I know you got so side-tracked on Art Bell.
If you have more to say about the layers under our feet, let’s
do that now.
Elk: I don’t think there is much more to say
about it. They are not “balls within balls”.
They are all connected.
lower you go, the less and less caves, until they are almost
totally non-existent. And that’s where Lucifer has taken
over and made what I like to call their “glass wall”—caves
and tunnels and stuff—quite a machinery that they work with.
This is kind-of odd to say that because the Christian world
thinking we’re dealing with all spirit. Well, yes and
no. They’ve learned to appear in spirit. I do
that. But, nevertheless, they are very technical,
physical-technical, and they have forever life.
Martin: How would you describe Lucifer, if you
were to do that?
Elk: No, angel; human-looking, but an angel.
Not demonic, and to be honest with you—no hair on his body,
none; no sexual organs, none; there’s nothing there.
He’s got the perfect body, the PERFECT body—tonal muscles,
stomach, just perfect; the guy is perfect. Yet so
“black” [spiritually dark] that in the black where I
was facing him, I literally hit my nose with my hand, trying to
see if I could see my hand. And yet, when he appeared in
that blackness, it was like there was a dim light on; no problem
to see. And so unbelievably beautiful you couldn’t
believe it. But, he’s like someone who is so
charismatic, so well liked, who comes to a party, the kind of
man or woman who, when he/she opens the door and enters,
everybody’s head turns. You understand?
Martin: Yes, I do.
Elk: And that one person, man or woman, looks
over the party of these people and sees somebody who they
can’t stand, and their face instantly turns to this HATE.
There is hate on the face of Lucifer. Absolutely
beautiful, but the most ugly thing that you can imagine.
Martin: A large being?
Elk: Oh yeah, about 22 feet. No tail, no
horns, no eyebrows, no pointy ears. Beautiful being.
Absolutely—it’s hard for me to say this, being
Martin: This will seem like a sidetrack, but I
have a note here to myself to ask you about Planet X or Nibiru.
Who are those beings, the Anunnaki?
Elk: You know, I don’t know who the Anunnaki
are. I have a very strong feeling—although I cannot say
I know—but I have a very strong feeling they are a race of
beings, slaves, who were brought here by another race, not of
the two of the Alliance, from another planet. And were
themselves used, on this planet, in a slave form. But
they, very definitely, are not of this planet. Where they
went, I know not, other than taken-off and taken to wherever, to
another planet. Kind-of traveling slaves.
Planet X, I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Are
you referring to the one that makes the great oval, that comes
by every 2300 or 3200 years, or something.
Martin: Yes, every 3600 years.
Elk: Oh, yes, and it’s here, it’s here.
It’s within their ships’ range, and has been now for, at the
very least, three years, five, I think. These are the
Gargoyle race. This is where our Gargoyle legends come
from, our devils. That’s these beings.
don’t have the technology—they don’t have the need,
really—to go through worm holes, or whatnot, to get to one
place or another. They are on their own spaceship, a
planet, that makes a great oval course. And they harvest
the planets as they go by. WE are the harvest, the human
beings. And they pluck us like you and I would go out and
pluck apples off a tree. But they always leave enough
people to re-seed the Earth.
Martin: Well, talking about the harvest,
let’s talk about the False Rapture vs. the Real Rapture.
Elk: Ok. Now, this is going to be really
hard for the so-called Christian world to comprehend, unless
they’ve got some dang brains.
Martin: That’s fine. Just speak
truthfully, that’s all we care about.
Elk: That’s right. I want them to check
it out for themselves. Scripture says—this is God
saying—“I am the same today, yesterday, and tomorrow.”
And that’s His Word. He does not lie.
He IS the same today, yesterday, and tomorrow. He will not
change. And people have often said, look at the Jews in
the Old Testament, that they are examples, if you follow
God, what will happen; if you get out of His step, what will
happen. See, the city did that, and they got attacked by
that city, and blah, blah, blah, and they leave it go there.
the Old Testament not only was using that as an example
for people 3, 4, 5 hundred years later to look back on, it was
there for today to look back on. Take Nineveh for example.
God told Jonas: “You go there and tell them I’m going to
destroy them in three days.”
Jonas didn’t want to. They were the Lizards of the day.
They were pretty bad guys. Not real Lizards, but pretty
bad people. And he didn’t want to. He defied God
and ended up in a serpent’s belly, whether it was a giant
guppy, a whale, or whatnot, never mind. Why people say a
whale, when the Bible doesn’t say that at all, I
don’t know. It’s an example of starting false rumors.
anyway, he ended up there, spit out on the shore in front of the
city of Nineveh, and decided, you know: “I’ve been living a
rough life trying to run from God; I better do what He told
he went into the city, and danged if they did not repent!
Turn away from sin—that’s the word repent. That’s
what it means. And that really ticked-off Jonas, and he
went up on the hillside and pouted. He wanted them to get
God did not destroy them in 3 days. He said He was going
to. And yet, because they turned their hearts back to
their Creator, He would not destroy them. They got
destroyed, just like He said, but it was left to their children,
who walked away. Nineveh was an example, for the people,
if you do what God tells you, everything will be cake and honey;
if not, you’ve got trouble.
people have looked at that and used that as an example.
But, not thinking at all that it is we
who are NOW Nineveh, the planet Earth! And if we turn away
from sin, if we repent, i.e., if we turn away from sin and go
back to God, then we, the planet Earth and all people on it,
will forego Armageddon at this time. It will be put off
for our children, or our children’s children—whoever decides
to slide back in, as a world generation, to go their own way.
as Nineveh, the city of the Old Testament, repented and
was saved, so too can this world repent and be saved. We,
Earth, is Nineveh, now.
am the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.”
in that, He warned the Jews, if you do what I tell you to do, if
you do this, this, and this, everything will be cake and honey.
But, if you do this, this, and this, then you will be taken into
captivity, and those who captured them could do with them as
always happened. The Jews never really paid too much
attention. In time, they all slop-shoot down the hill.
Then, next thing you know, they’ve got armies attacking them.
then they start crying “Oh God!”
He says “Too late dude, you know.”
you grabbing a little kid who you’ve warned and warned and
warned. Finally, it comes to it, and she or he are
screaming, as you’re getting ready to put them over your knee.
sorry, I’m sorry.” Too late.
what happened? He was always, and will always, and is
always a being of His own Word. He does not lie!
the future holds is, this planet, under the guise of Nineveh,
will have to go through all kinds of spankings, because we paid
no attention. But, in the Old Testament there were
many lands that captives could be taken to—always leaving a
remnant of Jews in Jerusalem, by the way, a very small remnant.
But, nevertheless, He was true to His Word. And they were
taken into captivity.
we have no single country which is not as good, or better, or as
bad, or worse, than any other country. We will be taken
into captivity, except it will not be of this land. It
will be onto other planets, other lands; other beings will be
the bad guys. Other beings from other planets will be the
bad guys who come to us and take us off. THE FIRST
RAPTURE IS FALSE!
these towers put up across our country, and I imagine other
countries, are not just for microwaves—they’re for mind
control, mass mind control! As well, there are some
super-duper towers that can instill in us such thoughts as:
“Oh, Christ is coming, Christ is coming!”—the joy, and
everything else. And people will run out of their houses,
stop their cars, get outside, climb their rooftops, do
everything that the Bible says—emotionally controlled
through these damned towers.
then the cargo ships will take them up, physically. People
will see them rising into the heavens—yelling
“Hallelujah!”—into captivity, into slavery, sex toys, and
alive-eaten food. I’m not talking all of the masses;
I’m talking about those who should be the salt of the Earth,
the so-called Christian believers. The vast majority of
Christian believers will die up there!
of those left behind are those who cannot get outside—in the
hospitals, and Christians who are in prisons, or down digging
mines, whatever; they can’t get up there in time for this
Rapture. They will be the remnant left behind, and in so
doing, they will have, maybe, even a harder life than the slaves
taken up, because we will be hunted, if we are down here.
Bounties will be on our heads. They will take a gutted
Christian body, and tie it across the hood of a car, running
through town with the horn blaring: “Look what I got! I
got my ‘deer’!”—paid for by bounty. I’m not
saying that going up is going to be easy, but I am saying that
staying down here isn’t going to be any easier.
“I am the same today, yesterday, and tomorrow. I do not
the Christians are doing are changing, or not reading, what the
Scriptures actually say. They don’t see two Raptures.
They got their dang butts up in the air, making smiley faces:
they’re gonna’ get their rears saved. Ah, yes, they
we all have to die, don’t we?
they would simply read Scriptures, they would find out what Red
Elk is saying is totally true. If they want to change the
Scriptures, then what they have to say, want to believe in,
that’s their path.
I’m not changing Scriptures. I’m telling you what the
Scriptures actually say. Check it for yourself.
Don’t be so dang lazy, so dang stupid, that you take your
denomination’s ideas—that are false in many cases, or lax in
many more cases—and just accept them as true. You’re
accepting a MAN’S teaching, a man’s
me, the Creator can speak for Himself, and needs no
interpretation. All He needs is somebody who’s got guts
enough to sit down, disregard what they have absorbed over the
years, and read it for themselves. He’ll talk to them,
if they’re honest about it.
Martin: I have had the overwhelming feeling
that there is something coming up of great magnitude, and that
at some point there will be a separation of some kind. In
feeling that, or in thinking that, am I perceiving this False
Rapture as the initial separation?
Elk: You could be, and you might not be,
because I don’t know what time frame you are sensing.
Martin: I’m sensing something major happening
within the next brief time. Some kind of major event.
Elk: Let me tell you this: I doubt that
what you’ve just asked is it; I really doubt it.
one: there is going to—right now, starting with this magazine
and a few things that have gone on—there is going to be a
tremendous “tearing away” from the churches, any
denomination, including the religions of the world.
will be some who finally “get it”, and the rest who want to
live in tradition. There will be a great shifting, a great
ripping-way of purity from taintedness.
people love their
taintedness. If the beliefs are good enough for their mom
and dad, and grandma and grandpa, it’s good enough for them.
there is a great hunger out there today—and boy, am I a
witness to that with these letters! [He’s referring
to the avalanche of mail after his session on the Art Bell
program.] There’s a great hunger to know what real
truth is. And I get this hunger from every kind of people
you can imagine—atheists, voodooists, Buddhists, Christians,
Muslims, wiccans—all different kinds of believers. There
are none totally satisfied with what they hope is the truth.
They feel there is more truth than what they are learning and
receiving—and indeed, that’s true.
know, the word salvation—the Christians have got it right and
wrong. Salvation: they believe that by asking the Pale
One, Christ, into their life, they will be saved. This is
true, but it’s not the total truth.
starts the minute—if you’re serious, understand, not just
trying to save your rear, but serious—salvation starts the
instant Christ comes into you. Salvation, although you
will not find it in a concordance [reference book of biblical
passages], to my knowledge, you won’t find it in the Bible,
I know that, but you will find it true in your own heart.
starts instantly. And the word in your own heart, if
you’re serious about seeking salvation, seeking help, you
will find that the word salvation means the ability to be a free
said: “I’ve come to give life, and give it abundantly.”
Most people think abundance means money. And this is a
Elk: I am pretty broke. And yet, I have
an abundant life. I get to talk WITH horses, with trees,
with people, with planetary people from other places. I am
rich in spirit. And yet, I am so poor because there’s
got to be a lot more than I know. My gosh, I’ve got just
over $2 in my pocket, and yes, I’d like to have over $2,000 in
my pocket, but nevertheless, that doesn’t stop me from going
out and seeing God in all things, and being aware that all
things are aware of One Creator. And getting to share my
love of Him, with their love of Him, be it a limb, a leaf, a
boy, you talk about abundant life! You people are stuck
running around talking to each other, and there’s a lot more
out there with a lot more love than another man or woman,
Cortright: Yeah, that’s for sure.
Elk: It’s very limited.
Martin: Yes. Well, I think that is one of
the main problems of the so-called Christian community—limited
Elk: The main problem with the community called
human beings of Earth is that! Don’t limit it to
is ALL, including ourselves, you, you, and I. The world of
“cans” and the world of “can’ts”. If you can’t
do something—the word can’t, is it negative or positive?
Is it a negative word or a positive word?
Martin: It’s a negative word.
Elk: It is not. It is a positive.
You are positive.
Martin: You are positive that you can’t do
Elk: You understand? There is no
negative. And when you can turn that positive can’t, to
a positive can, as we in medicine have learned, you will be able
to levitate and go downtown with no gas. You will be able
to shut your eyes, envision where you want to go—safely, if
you’ve got half a brain; first check where you want to go and
make sure it’s safe to go there—and teleport yourself.
is all in Scriptures. One person teleported; it is in
Scriptures. Christ walked on water? NO! He
actually flew on
the water. This is all in Scriptures. “The things
I’ve done, you can do also, even moreso, for I am with you.”
Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water, too—until
he realized that was a can’t.
Elk: You understand what
Martin: Yes, I do.
Elk: We have such great
abilities! We are limited to only three things; human
kind, on any planet, are limited to only three things: (1) We
cannot be the Creator, i.e. God, but we can be Godly; (2) we
cannot be Lucifer—and a misnomer for him is Satan. You
say that, and you mean Lucifer; it’s not true.
Martin: Satan is a different being, isn’t he?
Elk: Right, he’s the number-two man.
But when you say Satan, you’re thinking Lucifer,
You cannot be Satan, but you can be satanic; (3) you cannot be
Christ, but you can be Christ-like.
beyond those three that you cannot be, YOU CAN DO! I teach
this. And I demonstrate it, at times.
this last week I was talking about invisibility—as I became
almost totally invisible to the two I was teaching. They
could see right through me, the chair I was sitting in. I
didn’t want to go all the way. I gave them enough to let
them know that I know what I’m talking about.
Elk: I’ve had people come from, well, one
from Florida, two from Texas, one coming from Alaska, and many
within driving range. I’ve taught them how to actually
go into a tree, and afterwards, go and speak WITH trees, bushes,
not to. And
they were amazed. Some came back crying.
came back just awed, that the stiff wooden tree they call alive
is not a piece of wood, but a thinking being, that takes steps
slowly, over the centuries; sends up shoots, or sends a part of
itself through a seed in a bird’s belly. And as it
dies—not the bird, but the tree—a few feet, or inches, or a
mile down the road, it grows. They take steps. These
are people, tree people, bug people, horse people, four-legged
people, feathered people, cloud people, mountain people.
don’t have a soul like you or me; they don’t need it.
They do no wrong. They do
have a Heaven.
this misnomer about animals having souls—bull—they don’t
need it. They are doing right. Do they have the
decision to do right or wrong? Yes, they do. But
they don’t have a soul that tells them “you are doing
wrong” or “you are doing right”. In general, a lion
eating a man is doing what the lion has been ordered to
do—eat, drink, and be merry.
Elk: Be a part of the ecology.
Cortright: Does that mean that we have a soul
because we have free will?
Elk: We are the only ones in all Creation, all
human of any
planet are the only ones who are soul bearers. We are
given the great two gifts: (1) the gift of self-will, and
(2) the gift to be as god, but in little g form.
Elk: No, absolutely not. There is no
co-creator. You don’t co-create for
note: It appears here that Red Elk misunderstood the
semantics of Rick’s question. Rick’s definition of
co-creating—as would be the same definition all of us would
agree with—is identical to the #2 gift to humankind that Red
Elk just mentioned above. Those of you familiar with the
spiritual messages long shared within these pages from Higher
Teachers are already well aware of the finer points which
differentiate the “little g” from the “big G” activities
as we grow and evolve in Awareness and Balance.
Red Elk is reacting to the arrogant misunderstandings long
circulating around within New Age psychobabble, questions which
he may often need to address in his teaching duties.]
let me tell you a story that will explain this.
scientist went to God and said: “God, we don’t need you
He said: “What do you mean?”
the scientist says: “Well, with our technology, we’ve
learned to clone people, grow parts and stuff. We don’t
need you anymore.”
Creator said: “Can you make man?”
the scientist thought for a little while, and he said: “Well,
we haven’t, but we could
make man. I’m pretty sure of it.”
God says: “Alright, you go and make a man. And when
you’ve made that man, you come back to me.”
the scientist said: “Ok.” And then turns around, takes
a few steps, reaches down, grabs some dirt in his hand, heads
off, and God says: “Woah, woah, woah, wait a minute, wait a
the scientist turns around and says: “What?”
God says: “Get your own dirt.”
Elk: Co-creation—my brother, there is nothing
that you can create that has not been created somewhere by the
say: “We created a car.”
says: “You’ve realigned the minerals and things needed for
Elk: We say: “We’ve made a toilet.”
says: “I made the materials; you just realigned it.”
Martin: Let’s get back to talking about the
Real Rapture versus the False Rapture.
Elk: The True
Martin: How will people know the difference?
Elk: It is NOT going to come before the troubles.
It will come probably more towards the end of the troubles,
Armageddon. And, at that time, those few who have not been
hunted, and managed to survive, will be taken up and they WILL
KNOW CHRIST IS COMING.
there will only be, I believe, two left. And those will be
the two—it might be three, I might be mistaken, but I’m
pretty sure it’s two—last prophets who give all the world a
hard time, all the world, creating droughts and all kinds of
trouble at their beck-and-call. And they will be feared,
mightily, by everybody on this planet, except each other.
All the other Christians—real, true Christians—are gone, or
even those who have gone up in the First Rapture, thinking
themselves Christians, and probably are, they’re gone.
The only ones left are two people, or three; I can’t recall.
And, eventually, they are killed.
sets, everything, they throw a huge, huge world party for three
days, day and night, looking at these rotting, ripped bodies,
not disturbed from where they fell. And at the end
of that third day—into the fourth, maybe; I’m not dead
sure—they will sit up—cut, bruised, kicked, ripped.
Look at the crowd, the TV sets, the newspaper men, all the great
leaders who have come to drink over their bodies—and they will
be totally alive, just as Christ was, and they will slowly be
taken up into the Heavens. And that’s when all hell
breaks loose. That’s when Armageddon will be.
Martin: And that will be within our lifetime?
Elk: Probably, I don’t know. How old
Elk: Probably, if you live a normal lifetime.
It might be within my lifetime. It will definitely be
within my daughter’s and my grandchildren’s. I think
all of this is going to be within—don’t quote, because I’m
never given a time—25 years is a very safe over-estimate of
when I think this will take place.
Martin: Let’s again talk about the False
Rapture, because it sounds like people should be alert to such a
thing. There is a saying in the Bible, to the
effect that even the elect will almost be fooled, or something
like that. Is that referring to the False Rapture, do you
Elk: That’s part of it, but not all of it.
The AntiChrist, Lucifer in human body, will con so many—that
is a major part that Scripture is speaking of. It’s part
of the False Rapture; it’s part of what is actually going to
take place; it’s part of many, many things.
Scripture, we love it—medicine people, good medicine people,
each of us have a minimum of three different Bibles,
different types, King James, etc. I have five; some I know
but me will never admit that they are Christian. I mean
all of them but me. And I have no problem because the word
Christian means “Christ follower”.
when you say Christian, all kinds of red flags fly up, and who
can blame them. The way the Christians are today, it’s
just a bunch of traditionalists with their nose in the wrong
place. But, a Christ follower does not have that same
connotation; no red flags fly up. It’s easy to call
yourself a Christ follower and be it.
takes time to learn, but it’s very easy, because what is
Christ? First off, what is God? Many names for God,
many names, in Scriptures alone many names. But they all
say that God is love, agape love, unconditional pure love.
And if God is love, and Christ is God who came on Earth as a
human being only—no godliness any more than you or me—then
that was still love on this Earth. And if I’m a Christ
follower, what am I? I’m someone who follows the way of
love, of purity, and I fall short. But I keep trying; I
keep wanting; I keep hungering.
Christ follower? Hmmm: love follower. If you’re
Buddhist, and love, you too are a Christ follower, i.e., a love
follower. If you are a voodooist, and love, and do things
out of compassion and caring, not for rewards, that’s Christ
love, that’s Love. This fear-forcing of Christ into your
life or you’re going to hell is a bunch of bull. It’s
LOVE IN YOUR LIFE, or you just might strike that lower place.
That’s the truth of it.
Martin: Let’s talk about one other thing
while we’re on this subject, and that is something that, I
don’t know how people arrive at this conclusion, but so many
Christians are of the belief that Christ died for our sins.
I, for one, have said for years that no, that’s not true.
He came to show the way.
Elk: Are you ready for
answer is this: They’re right.
answer is this: You’re right.
let me bridge that. This is part of my job; I’m called
came as a total human being. God looked down from the
Heavens at the people and said: “Why can’t they do what I
told them to do? Why are they going amuck like this?
Nothing is happening. With them I can’t work.”
the only way that I’m going to find out is to go down and find
out Myself. And the only way that I can do that is to be
totally like them—totally. I’ll watch from up here,
and let Me down there, in them, as them, walk the Earth and find
out if I can find, as a man, what will connect Me, that I told
them about, to Me up Here.
as a total human being, no more godliness than any of us when
we’re born, He came down. During His time, He eventually
became what is known as the Savior, the Christ.
asked many people: “What is the first thing that Christ did
that led him on the path to what he ended up as?”
I get various answers. I, finally, after many years, got
the right answer from one person.
said: “Well, he was baptized.” “He went to
church.” “He did this; he did that.” And
that’s all true, but that’s not the first
thing he did.
first thing he did was hunger—he hungered to know his Father.
He, as a human being and as a Jew, a Jewish human being, saw all
the rules and rituals, and heard all the great stories—Moses
parted the water—and within walking distance, he could go to
some great man’s grave who the stories were about. But
nothing was happening; hadn’t happened for 200, or better,
years—nothing. God was “dead”. It was just
becoming fables and myths.
yet, they claim He was the Father of their people. Well,
he wondered if there really was a God. If there was, why
weren’t things happening? So, he hungered to find out if
that was a bunch of bs, or true. And he hungered to know
the Father of his people—not the dad of conception, but the
Dad of the people.
as a human being, hungered, and in that hunger, he started
finding truths, until eventually he did certain things. He
went into the desert. He fasted. And the Bible
said he went into the wilderness to fast often, not just the
forty days and nights. He himself was baptized. He
did many things. And he said: “Follow me.” And
if people will do exactly what he did, they can do exactly what
medicine people can do who follow him—love.
in so doing, at the end times of this great search of his, and
this great in-knowledge that he was receiving, he recognized
himself as a good possibility of being “the Savior”, “the
Christ”; and in that, he knew that the Christ was going to die
a horrible death.
he prayed so hard that blood came out of his pores, so says
Scriptures. He didn’t want any part of the way that
death was coming about, no part. Himself, his tonal, his
physical mind and body didn’t want it, not if it could help
his spiritual mind said: “Nevertheless, Father, Your Will be
done, not mine.”
went to the cross to prove his own convictions, as well as prove
to the world that, by doing what he had done, and learned, and
had taught, that there is no death. And he willingly went
to that cross, and was put to death, to prove to himself, and
everybody else, that God was alive.
literally, died for his own convictions; died to prove that all
he had learned in his hunger walk to find the Father of his
people was true, and the only thing left to prove it was no
death. So he died to prove to the world that the Creator
lived for them. He died to prove to himself that the
Creator lived for him; and the rest is history.
look at Christ as some kind of gifted guy. Yeah, he had a
lot of money when he was a baby. A bunch of camels came
with loot. But, nevertheless, they look at him like he was
the Son of God. What a bunch of dweebs. They claim
they are sons of God through adoption. Well why don’t
they act it? Don’t make excuses for your lack of doing,
your lack of faith. And don’t write new words in the Bible.
far, I have found every Christian to be nothing but a liar.
ALL claim to believe 100% in the Word of God—until they
don’t believe it. And then they make an excuse or write
it out. A bunch of liars! And I’ve told them, too,
to their face, pastors included. And then I point it out,
and they look awful sick when I’m done.
Martin: This may be off-track, it may not be.
Are you familiar with Christ going on after the crucifixion,
going on to teach many, many years in different places?
Elk: I’m familiar with the so-called truth of
that. I’m familiar with the fact that people are
claiming he was married, and had children. It is not so.
His brother, who carried the last name, if you would, was
married and had children. No, Christ did not. He
came back for a short period; over 500, I believe, saw him,
talked to him. And then he did go up into the air.
Christ taught, and we have learned, as medicine people, how to
“split”. For instance, I can literally—and it’s
hard for me to do this—be seen, sit with, eat, drink, drive a
car, at 11 different places at once. It’s called
“splitting”. Some people know how to do this.
Christ is not dead. He’s not spirit. He does live
in the Heavens, and has learned to do the same thing, but he has
chosen to do so inside a believer’s body. Do you
Martin: I think so. Can you explain it?
Elk: He comes into you. Where I have
learned to—I do not go in, even at invitation. I
don’t; it’s not my job; it’s not my safety zone; it’s
not what I’m ordered to do. I do not go in and possess,
or occupy, another human being; I don’t do it.
HE is perfect. He can and does do it. Scripture
says: “Invite Him into your life.” The Bible says:
“Invite me in, and I will come in.” At your personal
commitment, your own personal ok, the living
Christ does a split and appears in front of you, and sits down
and sups with you, and you with him. He comes inside you
to help you, at your own, personal invitation.
no, Christ did not come back and walk the Earth as a single man,
all over the place; no. And he certainly did not get
Note: As an investigative journalist with a longtime, special,
personal interest in this particular subject matter, over the
years I have managed to accumulate a number of books which
document the journey of Christ AFTER the crucifixion, which
includes sojourns to India and Kashmir, among other places.
those of you wishing to research this subject yourself, here are
a few titles you might want to study:
Walked The Americas by
L. Taylor Hansen (1963, Amherst Press); Jesus Lived In
India—His Unknown Life Before and After The Crucifixion by
Holger Kersten (1986, Element Books, ISBN: 0-906540-90-9); The
Talmud Of Jmmanuel (ISBN: 0-926524-12-7); The Jesus
Conspiracy—The Turin Shroud & The Truth About The
Resurrection by Holger Kersten & Elmar R. Gruber
(Element Books, ISBN: 1-85230-666-1); The Jesus Mystery—Of
Lost Years and Unknown Travels by Janet Bock (ISBN:
0-937736-00-7); Jesus’ Tomb In India—Debate On His Death
And Resurrection by Paul C. Pappas (ISBN: 0-89581-946-5); Where
Did Jesus Die? by J.D. Shams (ISBN: 1-85372-190-5); Jesus
In India by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (ISBN:
to all of the above books, Christ’s brother Didymos (the twin)
Judas Thomas traveled with Christ to India. Didymos Judas
Thomas preached throughout India, and was eventually killed on
the Central/East coast of India, on a hillside just outside the
town of Madras. He was unmarried throughout his life.
he IS in anyone who is dead serious about growing spiritually.
That’s him, his own personal split body, physical body,
inside, when you are serious and ask him about it. And
even then, he does not take control. Even then, he leaves
you to do your own will, and he is there to pick you up when you
fall, and to give you strength, falling or walking.
that answer your question?
battle that is about to ensue, or is happening now—Christ has
a battle in front of him with Lucifer, also, doesn’t he?
Elk: Nope, nope, nope. You see, Lucifer
already knows he has lost.
Martin: Sure he does.
Elk: He knows it. But he will come as a
roaring lion. He knows that he cannot take souls, any more
than he can get. Those who are, so-called, perfectly
possessed are his. And he gets them.
no. What he’s doing is just coming as a roaring lion. He
is making all the peoples from all the planets come over and
cause all the hurt and harm to each other. He knows, when
those people die, if they’re going into the Heavens or not.
He already knows this. He knows he’s lost. He’s
got just a few from each planet—himself, personally, who will
belong to him. He knows he’s already lost.
what is the war in the Heavens now? Just the very
beginning of that roaring lion—ripping, shredding, screaming,
anger, hate, madness.
Martin: I know that Christ lives. I know
that he is watching very carefully what is happening on the
planet now, and at some point his role is going to be very
Elk: Oh yes, Armageddon.
Martin: How do you perceive Christ’s role in
what is coming?
Elk: He’s the finisher. I can say no more than
that. I should not have to.
IS THE FINISHER. But it’s only the finisher for this
time. We will have some time—close to 3,000 almost 4,000
years before the FINAL DAY, the DAY OF JUDGMENT COMES.
Martin: The last few decades have brought about
a great number of channels. What is your feeling or
knowing about channeled material?
Elk: In general, dangerous; overall, dangerous;
and overall, b.s.
Cortright: Thank you,
Martin: Along this same line, how to you see
Creator having a voice in these End Times? How do you see
Elk: I don’t
understand the question.
Martin: I’m not sure I’m asking this right.
Cortright: In my opinion, directly
to people who have that connection with Creator.
Elk: I’m still not sure of the question.
That’s alright, let’s get it right. Let’s get it
where I can answer it.
Martin: In these End Times there is a great
deal of turmoil, conflict, confusion among people. Creator
is alive and well, and always has been, and Christ is alive and
well. How do you see the confused people receiving their
answer from God when petitioned? Only quietly, within
themselves, or through speakers?
Elk: There will be, and are, true prophets.
When a prophet speaks, a prophet of God, there is such an
authority, such an unshakable authority, that behind the words
themselves, they know they are listening to something so strong,
it is possibly incomprehensible. Those are the people of
God, the prophets of God.
they come quietly? Many will come quietly. Many will
hear the Word of God in their mind as they read the Word of God.
If they seek the Creator’s truth, in the Word, by reading, and
ask the Creator to show Himself to them, trying to disregard
what they believe, or heard, or were taught—just total, like a
brand new baby—God will talk to them. Each individual
word will blow-up like a shell.
needs no interpreter. He needs nothing. All He
wants, and really needs, if you want to call it a need, is for
honesty; people with true hearts who are honestly looking for
they’re not going to find it in any denomination, any
religion. They will find it, it ends up, in one thing
only: love; and that, I mean, is nothing to do with human love;
this is GOD LOVE.
will find that oneness with God. And the whole group
finding this oneness will be the TRUE BODY OF BELIEVERS.
You can call yourself Buddhist, Christian believer or Christ
follower, Muslim, you can go there and kneel on your rug and
pray to the East in the name of God. For a Muslim that
name is Allah. There should be no fight over names.
Allow the way they feel comfortable in their culture. If
they want to remain there, fine, just as love, pure love.
didn’t die for one religion. He died for all mankind, on
all planets, in all planes, all times. One guy, and only
one, and it happened here on this planet, died for everyone, and
proved that that Word that he followed, he searched for, he
hungered after, and he learned and taught. It is in
Scripture how to do what he did. It’s taught—proved to
himself and proved to the world that what he learned was true.
Love is the answer. And people, no matter how they get to
that conclusion, and fall completely upon that conclusion, go
nowhere else but in that conclusion, they are the Body of
Believers; they are the so-called Church. And I don’t
care if they’re Black, Yellow, Green, Plaid. I don’t
like it, but if they have to kill a chicken because that’s
their culture, and pray to God, maybe God will lead them out of
that. That’s not my business. My business is to
love my brother, who loves my Father, just like I love Him.
Cortright: Well, I personally, going back to
what you were talking about earlier, about false prophets,
whatever you want to call them. A lot of people are really
afraid, or don’t believe that they can have that connection to
Christ, or to Creator, themselves.
Elk: They run after false prophets.
Cortright: That’s right.
Elk: Worshiping and awe-inspired by false
Cortright: That’s right. In
speaking about the channeled material, so often—
Elk: So often, the channeled material is so
true, you accept it. So, all they have to do is insert one
untruth. And to me, the Bible, its got many names
on its cover—it says “holy” Bible, in general.
see it also says: War—A Manual Of Warfare, on how to defeat
also see that it says: Love.
I also see that it says: Safety Net.
people would just sit down and read the Scriptures—never mind
what they feel about it. I don’t care if they’re
Muslims; I don’t care if they’re atheists. If they
just read Scriptures, like they pick up any other book, and READ
IT, then when a decision comes, they will know, automatically,
if it is morally correct, or if it’s immoral, or if it’s
against the Law. If it is against the Law, and the Law
happens to be morally incorrect—you know, in Germany, WWII,
the Law made it morally incorrect—YOU FOLLOW LOVE, EVEN IF IT
MEANS YOUR LIFE.
Cortright: That’s a pretty strong statement.
Elk: Well, my sister—
Cortright: I agree with you, by the way.
Elk: I have many people who call me, write
me—boy do I get it! Their “Guides” tell them to do
this, and their “Guides” tell them that; and they want me to
think highly that they’ve got “Guides”, or are following a
human being. And they claim I have a “Guide”. I
have no “Guide”. I have a guideline.
Elk: I have no enemies. If they think
I’m their enemy, they are mistaken. I mean, that’s
their decision. I have two people I won’t even go
around, but that’s because I don’t like what they do.
Elk: But I stand back. They are my
brother and sister. It happens to be a man and a woman.
And I pray for them, because they are my brother and sister, and
I am not to “down them”, I am not to hurt them, bad-mouth
them, and on and on. I don’t have to like what they’re
doing, but I love them because they came from the same MIND WOMB
that I did, the MIND WOMB OF GOD.
Cortright: Right, right.
Martin: Do you perceive a time when we all will
be sitting around the campfire, in the next dimensions, telling
tales of this experience, and laughing?
Elk: I cannot “knowingly” say that.
By knowing, I’m speaking truly, completely, wholly knowing.
Maybe we will do something similar, laughing at our own
mistakes, our own stupidity.
Martin: That’s what I mean.
Elk: Not laughing at somebody else’s.
Martin: I was referring more to ourselves.
Elk: Not saying, “Do you remember when YOU did
let them tell you they remember it. And then, enjoy it.
There is no bad. You look back on it, and overall, it was
all for your growth. There will be nothing around any
campfire. If there is a campfire, that will be nothing
more, or less, than love.
Cortright: So what do you think about people
who say this is all a play? There’s no right, there’s
no wrong; it’s just a play.
Elk: In truth, my sister, when the Creator, on
the Day of Judgment—first off, let me back-up just a bit.
Hades exists only for your own “pleasure”, believe it or
not; call it displeasure if you’d like. You believe,
subconsciously, that you belong there, so you go there.
Or, you believe you’re going to Heaven, so you go there.
the Final Days, ALL will stand before the Creator, even the
Angels. And they will—now, this is the Great Judgment
Day, 1,000 years away yet, or 3,000, or 4,000.
Nevertheless, you go to hell because, subconsciously, you
believe that’s where you belong. It’s not necessarily
God’s belief. But even in that, He doesn’t go against
believe you may go to Heaven. Yet, Scriptures say, many
say, “Lord, Lord”—and I will say “I know you not.”
They are nothing more than chaff in the wheat, but they believe
they belong up there; and thus, they will go up there. But
on the Great Day of Judgment, they’ll find out that’s not
where they belong.
those who are down below, many of those will find out they’ve
just judged themselves; that’s not the way God judges.
And there will be a great shifting. And you will hear a
lot of smacking, as people kick each other in the butt, and kick
themselves in the butt. Many who are in Lucifer’s realm,
being tortured now, according to THEIR OWN BELIEFS, will find
out they had no need to be there. And many, right now in
the Heavens, will find out they have no right to be there.
death will—this is the death the Bible speaks of
fearing—death will be, kind-of imagine all of the ones who
have been so self-centered, so self-possessed, or literally
sold-out entirely to Lucifer, in all ways; look at them like a
great mass of tadpoles in a great sack of tadpoles. Do you
understand what I mean?
Elk: Each tadpole, in it’s own tiny little
sack, within this great mass of sack, is an individual being, a
soul, a human being—that will be cast out of God’s Mind.
There is the FINAL DEATH. There is the eternal hell.
Though you be in a mass of other tadpoles, you will not be aware
of any other tadpole in this great mass. You will be aware
of only yourself, separated forever from God, and no more to
ever, ever have a chance to repent. You’ve done it all.
THERE, my friend, is a hell worse than Hades is now.
Cortright: I know what the question was,
everybody talking about how this is a play.
Elk: Oh, I’ll tell you, this is a very
serious play. You’d better play it right.
Cortright: That’s kind-of how I feel.
When people talk about, “Oh, this is just a play”—
Elk: That’s their path, sister; let them
Cortright: Yeah, absolutely.
Elk: We have no choice. We cannot force,
or in any way make another change their path.
Cortright: That’s right.
Elk: All you can do is live YOUR path, and live
it in such a manner that it makes them hungry to find out what
your path is all about. Only example, ONLY LOVE will bring
these ratty moths to the light, and whether they choose that
light or not, is still their choice.
Cortright: That’s true.
Elk: You cannot win them all.
Cortright: And when you’re talking of love, a
lot of people have the, I think, misconception that when
you’re talking about love, even unconditional love—like you
were saying, you don’t have any enemies, you stay away from
people. You love them, but you don’t like what they do.
And I think a lot of people, when they think about love, they
feel like they have to accept everything that anybody does.
Elk: No, don’t cast your pearls before the
swine, which can mean many things within that one phrase.
You don’t put yourself in the way, stepping in front of a
freight train that is not going to stop—in this case, a human
being who’s got his/her own way—get off the track and just
be a light.
Cortright: Exactly, exactly. But a lot of
people think they have to get hit by that freight train, because
that’s what love means.
Elk: No, no, no; personally I think that
they’re crazy. (Laughter)
Cortright: (Laughter) So do I.
Elk: The Bible speaks about, again, the
Safety Net; I use the Bible as my Safety Net. When
someone does you wrong, you know, turn your cheek and let them
hit you on the other side, like that; forgive them X times X
amount, like that. But yet, there comes a point where, why
torture yourself ? They are God’s children, stand
back. Get out of their reach, and let God do the work.
Just pray to God, as you pity them in humility—in honesty and
in compassion pray for those ones.
Elk: Don’t get beat-up. Christ had to
stand there and get beat-up because he was proving, to himself,
and to the world, that it’s worth it, overall.
Martin: You write about the Red Sky. Can
you explain what the Red Sky is?
Elk: The Red Sky is in Scriptures. I
don’t believe it tells in Scriptures, I might be mistaken, on
how long this will last. It is also in our own Indian
prophecies. We call it “the Orange Sky”.
I recall the prophecies correctly, it will last day and night
for 7 or 8 days. When that great sign in the sky appears,
that means that, from that moment on, you can travel instead of
24 hours ahead, you can travel weeks and months ahead, because
there are no more probables, no more chances to turn left or
right. We, then, are definitely on the no longer probable,
but the dead-on End of the Trail.
Martin: So the hourglass is empty at that
Elk: That’s it. We have no chances, from there
on in. The Great Sign in the sky.
Martin: So you’re saying, after the
False Rapture, many of the true believers will still be on the
planet, but it will be a very turbulent time, a very painful
time, physically, for many people?
Elk: But moreso for those who are left behind,
as believers, of those who believe in pure love, it will be far
worse on them then the others. But, don’t misunderstand
me. The others are going to be going through all kinds of
hell themselves, drinking their own urine, for lack of water,
eating human beings, for lack of food. It is going to be
the worst thing you have seen in your life. There has
never been, ever, ever been on any planet, any dimension, any
plane, a catastrophe like is going to happen here when the great
mousetrap springs its steel bar across the neck of all who have
come to nibble at we, the bait.
Martin: But we, as cheese in the trap, will
also be caught in the physical experience of whatever
unpleasantness there is.
Elk: Yes, yes, yes—until they’re taken-up,
or they might die before. But they will be taken-up.
It could be hours, or days, I have no idea, before the actual
event called Armageddon comes. These are the ones, the
survivors, the ones who are left behind when the others are
taken into captivity. And only two will be left (or three,
I’m not sure, like I said)—two or three prophets.
Martin: Now, ultimately this planet is moving
into Radiance, as I understand it.
Elk: Oh, you bet. Because you see,
we’ve been dwelling on nothing but the bad aspects of what’s
Martin: Right, let’s shift toward the radiant
Elk: Right. And people worry about
what’s coming. They don’t see the Great Ahead.
When that mousetrap is finally snapped, there will be few human
beings on this planet left alive. And believe me—I
really doubt if there will be ANY human beings IN or ON this
Earth; they’re all taken off. At least, that’s the way
it looks; I can’t say for certain.
we will be all alone. Scriptures talk about a third of the
planet’s population will die, through pollution and what not.
And that’s already taking effect, now. But if people
read carefully, it will say, after that, a third of those left
will also die. And if they read carefully on, they will
find a third of those left will die—leaving us very, very few
don’t know, 10 million, whatever, across our planet. I
may be way off on my numbers. But nevertheless, a third, a
third, and a third, gone; then x amount will remain. There
will be no more Red man. There will be no more Black man, or
White, or Chinese, or any other color or creed. You might
now hate Mexicans, or Indians, or Chinese, or whatnot. At
that time, if you are a survivor who has gone through all of
this—if you, say you hate a Black person, just can’t stand
to breathe around them, and they you, if you happen to run
across one of them on the vast, devastated island called Earth,
and see each other, and one’s male and one’s female, believe
me, you will run and embrace each other. It might be the
only human you have seen in months, and you’ll be glad.
odd thing is, during that time it will take 30 years to regroup,
to regroup our own individual census. Because there will
be no roads, you’d be lucky to find a road that’s two or
three miles long before it’s all blown-up, or torn-up by
earthquakes or wars. No roads, no factories, cities—it
will just be half-crazed people living in cities. Stay
away from them. The real “Road Warrior” movies, that
type of thing. It’s going to be hell.
first 30 years, a lot people are going to perish because they
don’t know how to survive. They don’t know how to hold
a dead branch and turn it into a fruit-bearing branch within
their hands, and eat the fruit therefrom. They don’t
know; we do. They don’t know it can be done.
Again, the only limit is: you can’t be God, Lucifer, or
my job, what I’ve been ordered to do, is to teach that you
can do everything
but those things!
when people come to me, I spend two days with them. If
they’re dead serious about learning, I give them enough
information that, on their own, they can continue between them
and the Creator, and grow and grow and grow, and hold a dead
branch, and shut their eyes, and image it into a reality, and
eat of it. They can go to a cesspool of a little 3-inch
trickle of water, and remember what it was like before the wars,
and before the tribulation, remember it, and image it—I cannot
give that stronger—image it so strongly that the water, when
they open their eyes, it’s now a 5-foot wide, sparkling,
tinkling, beautiful brook—not pollution, not 3 inches wide.
can recreate from our own mind, for the Scripture says “Ye are
as gods”—little g. The medicine people know this.
Not everyone knows everything about how to do everything.
And, frankly, I’ve asked the medicine people to come out, to
quit hiding these sacred secrets, to quit being so damned heady
that you are afraid to give this out to the world, in general.
I’ve got a lot of “enemies” out there. [As a
result of reluctance from his contemporaries to agree
with Red Elk’s request. They’d rather keep the
knowledge to themselves.]
Martin: How do they respond to you when you say
Elk: Only 1, 2 have responded. And one,
saying I’m right, but doing nothing about it; the other one
saying I’m right, and starting to do. And, I’ll tell
you, the Red man, and all others who are of medicine across the
world, who do not do this, we are the equivalent of the pastors
that the Scripture says: “Give them the knowledge. You
are responsible for your flock.”
flock is the world. And Scriptures tell the pastors:
“Teach them.” If you do not, it’s going to be on
I tell you, there’s many different denominations in the
Christian world, many, many—well, all really—of all
religions, every religion you can name—except for the religion
of those who continuously, with no exceptions, worship
Lucifer—they’ve got to rise-up, they’ve got to go beyond
their pride, their false humility. People are coming to
them to learn, and all of a sudden the “pastors” are getting
all puffy-shirted about it; they don’t want to give up their
little secrets. They want people to come to them, a bunch
of false gods, sitting around.
Cortright: That’s exactly right.
Elk: Listen, I don’t care if you do put a rug
down and pray to the East. God bless you for doing it.
You love God that much, in that culture—go for it, my brother;
go for it, my sister. Add love, and you will be perfect in
spirit. Throw out the traditional crap; add love.
The Bible is not for Christians. The Bible
is not a religion. The Bible is the way of life.
Love is the way of life.
Cortright: And that’s the bottom-line,
Elk: Yes, it is. People look at the Bible
and say: “Look at this killing, and that war, and blah, blah,
deeply, my brothers and sisters” I say. “Look
deeply!” They did not obey Him, and He said: “If you
don’t, you’re gonna get a spanking.” So why are you
so stupid as to blame God for holding up to His word? That
God is a good Father. Many children have straightened-up
because of a good, swift spanking.
Cortright: That’s very true.
Elk: I’m probably not what you expected, but
I am an Inner Heyoka. And we learned purity. My
ancestors of this society—not personal ancestors but society
ancestors—they learned purity. There were only 13 left
when the Christ left, only 13.
over the years, people came to the original 13 who followed the
Christ, followed his learning and his teachings, and would say:
“Heal us of this, please; heal us of that, please”—until
they came to us as if we were their slaves, with nothing better
in life but to do what they wanted.
they failed to start bringing us food for our time spent with
them. We couldn’t go out and hunt. We couldn’t
get firewood for our lodges. Just because they happen to
be so damned nice to come in here and say: “Hey, pray for
At first, it was pretty good. But they forgot that.
And one of the 13 decided enough is enough, and when they called
for him, he said: “Ok, I’ve got an idea.”
this one went to the encampment asking for prayer. This
one brought drums, and rattles, and masks. And he began
chanting, and rattling, and doing a dance, and blowing smoke,
and all kinds of crud. He put on a vaudeville act, and
entertained them, as well as did what he was there for in the
first place—purity healing, without entertainment. They
liked what they saw; they gave him money (or the equivalent); he
came home with a big breadbasket type of thing.
there on in, everybody said: “Let’s go to Green Eagle”, or
whoever, “because he entertains us. He’s pretty funny.
He’s a lot of fun, and his entertainment works.”
it works without
his entertainment. He knew that. But he was after
trying to get them to supply the needs of him and his family.
other 12, they did not turn that way. So, tradition began
with Mr. 13. That’s where tradition is; that’s where
it came from. It was not purity out of tradition, but
tradition out of purity.
today they come to me, and I have to ask: “Creator, what would
you have me do?” And He will tell me what to do, or what
not to do, and I have to obey Him.
say: “They asked in the Indian way, so give in the Indian
way”—which is tradition. And I do. They expect
it that way.
It healed grandma. It healed great grandma, six aunts, and
a cousin, that way. So they put their faith in the healing
power of that
way, including the prayers. And the Indian people have
gone total tradition.
have had a word of one I know, who, a few years ago—over 5
years now—medicine man, a very, very spiritually-minded
medicine man, a young guy, he said: “I am so happy to see our
people coming back to the traditional ways of being Indian.”
that he means, for example, the ways of learning to talk with
Earth Mother and all that.
he said: “But I fear it is not enough.” And that’s
the truth of it. The full-blood traditional Indians are
running on nothing but fumes. And in not many years ahead,
they will not be able to go out and pick the plant that heals
this or that. So, without knowing purity, they will die.
And those who come to them will die, because they have only
learned the plants. They have only learned the traditional
way. They have not learned to connect and do it without
the crutch. I tell you, it might take a 100-mile walk to
find one plant to heal a particular thing, and that’s all
they’ve learned; that’s all they know. They have lost
their spiritual touch with the Creator.
Elk: What else?
Martin: I’m looking at my notes from your
booklet. It almost seems off-track from where we’ve
am curious, at the very least, about these two Queens, but I
don’t want to detract from where we’ve been.
Elk: Well, for the sake of the reader, I have taken
from my book—a very large book but it’s all in handwriting,
it’s not typed; typed it should run about 1400 pages—how to
do everything that I talk about. I say everything, but
that’s not true. There are some things I’m not allowed
to tell. It would just go into the wrong hands and cause
almost everything. I teach also, through that book, how
I’ve learned to come to different knowing. And when I
say knowing, I say that in huge, triple-sized letters: K N O
W I N G! When I say “I know
it”, believe me, I know
it. Whether you believe it or not, that’s your problem.
this part spoken of [in the shorter booklet which Rick had a
copy of ] is just the lifting of a very few of the
pages out of that particular large book. “The Queens”
referred to are the Lizard Queens, the heads of the
Lizard people, the Draconian people; they’re both
women. And for centuries they have despised each other.
I don’t know, maybe somebody complained about the other
don’t know what it all started with; I have no idea. But
they just cannot stand each other. And they are at
constant bickering with each other.
they have taken many, from many different worlds. And one
Queen has won some of those people to that side, some to the
other side. And these are ones who think that they are
instead of going out and having a slap-fest amongst each other,
the two, they use what they have got on their side to fight the
other. It is simply control, by one side, against the
other side, and the other side against the one side, using us as
the slappers, those who do drive-bys, those who do mass killing.
Oh, my gosh, it’s just unbelievable.
people, in general, can accept Lucifer, but laugh at me about
talking about Lizards. And, truthfully, the Lizards are
all over the dang place, on this surface, under this surface,
out in space, on their worlds. They are quite the
conquerors, and they are only 1 of 4 that are in alliance.
I call them the “Unholy Alliance” or the “Unholy Four”.
you only knew how these people work; they work with technology.
You have people who have inserts—laugh at that, laugh at an
insert, if you please—but there are doctors actually removing
strange little glass-like or metallic-like slivers. These
are inserts that are put into our human beings, and other human
beings on other planets, to tell where you are, tell what your
blood-rate is, and so on. But that is only secondary.
These Unholy Four, or at least 3 of the 4, dwell on anger, hate,
misery, everything ugly.
Martin: Now, to clarify for our readers,
we’re not talking about 4 beings, we’re talking about 4
races of beings. Is that right?
Elk: Correct. Anyway, they actually have
machinery, down below, in our ground, here on this planet, and I
assume the rest are the same way, machinery that they can aim at
a group, or a person, press a button, and make that person or
group react in some ungodly way.
then, SUCK—and I mean this—suck
on the emotion. They have pressed a button, aimed a
machine at you, and you are controlled to throw out that
emotion. They then suck on it like somebody who’s
sipping a cocktail or who just likes to have a midday snack.
actually walk along, and if they get hungry for a snack, they
stop at one of these pieces of machinery, see who’s up there
with these inserts, press a damn button, and get a reaction, and
suck that energy. Like you and I would stop for an ice
cream cone, or drink a soda, or coffee, or a drink of liquor.
Martin: So, when we talk about Lucifer or the
adversarial forces thriving on negative energy, it is a literal,
Elk: Oh, it is, it is. Lucifer is a
different matter. He doesn’t thrive on that. All
he wants is conquering. He wants to be God, period!
He doesn’t get off on that. His demons do, but he
Martin: Where do the Greys, the
so-called Grey aliens, factor into this?
Elk: The Greys are part of the Unholy Four.
Martin: You call them the “Bee People”?
Elk: Yeah, I do. Most of the Natives call
them Insect People. I like to call them Bee People,
mainly because—first off, let me say this: These, out of
the Unholy Four, do not suck on energy. It doesn’t turn
them on at all. They have other reasons to be in the Four.
Their reason is: originally they became as they were,
which is now an almost totally extinct people, because they
went, eons ago, to the Federation of Planets, asking to be
allowed to come to this Earth to experiment, to get our DNA into
their bodies, so they could eliminate hate, anger, and so forth.
They were given permission.
again, these people are playing God. They didn’t go to
God; they didn’t know God. And the others, as far as
they’re concerned, they’re in charge of this. They
gave them permission. In so doing, they were successful.
They got the DNA—but in so doing, that eliminated ALL EMOTIONS
of the Greys, ALL EMOTIONS.
the odd thing is—I’m speaking of the tall Greys, the real
Greys. The little short guys are like
“plants”—greenery, growing—with the ability to think for
themselves, but are basically nothing more than cloned shorties
of the real thing, to do the bidding of the real thing; kind-of
a slave. And there are many, many of those. And easy
come, easy go; one gets killed or whatnot, just grow another
the rest, the true Greys, are much taller, by quite a bit, than
the little ones. And I have never seen a female Grey, true
Grey. It appears that their playing with emotions—what
actually happened is, it killed their sex life.
need to be held, touched, loved, sweet-talked. Basically,
when a woman is being raped, she might have an orgasm, but if
she is raped constantly, she can turn that orgasm off. If
she is being violated, without love emotions, she will turn it
off, consciously or subconsciously. And this is what
happened to the original Greys; the love emotion was gone.
over the centuries, sex life ceased to exist. So, those
original Greys are almost, now, extinct. They then started
growing these little guys as a workforce to DNA us. Again,
they went back to the damn council, and the council gave them
permission. They are utilizing our DNA to get the
emotions back into them, before they totally become obliterated.
the Greys are working with these other three, and thus, I call
them the Unholy Four. But just for their own agenda; they
do not have the desire to suck fear and hate and all of that
negative-energy stuff. They just want to get DNA
back into their genetics and get their race back on foot again.
little guys, these are God-aware people, like a tree is.
They have no soul, these little ones; they don’t need a soul,
they’re plants. But they are intelligent, talking,
thinking, physical-doing plants. They’re not locked into
the ground. They can walk around. And they’re
getting their own “high ideas” that if they can overcome the
true Greys, their makers, they think, then they can become a
race unto ourselves. That’s their plan.
it’s all in the book I assembled, The Agendas.
it’s all a big mess, a big total mess, and frankly it all
starts with Lucifer, who came to this planet, and digging deep
within our planet, to get to his right heat zone, and then
sending his 1/3 angels out throughout all dimensions, times, and
planes, who in turn, went deep in-ground, and started being
little miniature Lucifers, under command of the great Lucifer,
and eventually infiltrated every planet in existence that has
human being life. And, like I said, we are a relatively
new planet. All these already infiltrated others are now
in us, too, and they all claim us. And, in fact, Lucifer,
hidden, claims all of us. But only God has us.
Martin: Where do you feel the Pleiadians come
into this picture?
Elk: You know, I’m not sure. All I know is
they have their own agenda. None have an agenda for us.
The Pleiadians seem to be pretty nice people. In these
bunch of spacecraft that are coming for the false Rapture
gathering, a certain number of spacecraft have been allowed that
would not do the harm the others will do, into this huge fleet.
And, whoever goes on those ships will be awful lucky Christians,
I’ll guarantee you. At worst, they will be given robes
and stuff, and wash dishes, and be a nanny on another
island—but they won’t be eaten alive; they won’t be raped,
in general; and they’ll have a pretty easy life compared to
the others, a darned easy life.
Martin: Let’s bring this conversation around
to here and now. It is a very fearful time on our planet
for a lot of people; a crazy time with Bush warring with other
nations. What do you see happening, here and now, on the
planet, and what words can you give our readers to find solace
during a crazy time in our planet’s history.
Elk: First off, we are right on time, literally.
All that is taking place all around us is no accident, but is a
design, placed long ago on the greatest probability. We
have been following the greatest probability.
does not mean that we could not turn around now. We
certainly haven’t turned around, yet. But we CAN go down
that path instead of hitting the accident, until the skies
change. But, nevertheless, everything is running in
there is no death, when you die, no matter how you die, until
that final death, that final Day of Judgment, comes, you’re
going to go from this life into a much more powerful life.
Hopefully you will all wake up—but you’ll get what you want.
God isn’t going to go against your will. And some
don’t even want to go up or down, they’re afraid.
They’re not sure where they belong, so they become
“shades”—ghosts to you. And some stay because they
want to protect certain areas that are called power spots.
I can say is: grow spiritually! It’s hard to say, but:
don’t worry, be happy; it’s all going according to Plan, and
God is not an ant’s step off of the greatest probability.
And by the way, He’s on the other probabilities, too! He
splits; He knows them all.
the best thing to do is get in connection with the Scriptures.
Get in connection with the Creator in those Scriptures, or in
any way that you know is the Creator. And search Him out
diligently. Search out what He wants you to do. He
will warn you. Learn to pay attention. He will guide
you. Learn to pay attention. Be willing to share,
but don’t force what you’re being told. Don’t start
a damn “follow me” thing—follow Christ.
to yourself. You are the first one you should be concerned
about in your spiritual growth. If you do so, and grow in
love and in spirit, then those within your own household—your
wife, or husband, or children, or grandparents, or
parents—they will see a difference and hunger, and you can
start a fire in them.
if we can do this, just enough, if enough would listen, and
really hunger, and start searching, seeking, and finding, we can
change the sky. It can be for our great, great, great,
great grandchildren. And everything will be hunky-dorey
here, everything will calm down.
Martin: That’s a good place to stop.
Elk: This Earth IS paradise, we’re the ones
who mess it up. We’re the ones afraid we’re going to
slip in it, and yelling about the stench of it all. But
guess what? You’re one of those who contributed to the
mess! Quit blaming everybody else, and look at yourself.
Cortright: That’s right, look at yourself,
and stop waiting for everybody else to do it for you. And
that means, to me, while a lot people look at the “upper
echelon”, the President, the Enron people, and all that, what
they fail to do is look at themselves. And you know what?
They’re doing business without integrity, their morals really
suck. Excuse me.
Elk: Why excuse you?
Cortright: But you know what I mean?
Elk: Yes, I do know.
Cortright: They’re looking at all these other
people, and they fail to look at themselves, and go: God, you
know what, I have no integrity. I have no morals. My
children don’t know how to say please and thank you.
Elk: Or sir.
Cortright: Right, they have no respect.
They’re not taught any. So, I wholeheartedly agree with
you when you say you’ve got to start with yourself. And
that’s my soap-boxing for the day.
Elk: Well, I’ll tell you. If you stop
to realize that you are, literally, “wanted”—that’s why
you’re here. God wanted you. You are a child of
God, automatically. He wanted you, and made you into
being. If God can love you, as dirty as you are, then
maybe you ought to take a second look at yourself, and say: “I
must be worth something.” And start loving yourself,
because Papa loves ya.
Cortright: That’s right, there you go.
Martin: That’s a good note to end on.
Elk: So, we end for now.
later, some follow-up comments.]
Elk: We speak, in our Indian way, about learning
Sacred Silence and Duality of Spirit. And, I tell you,
it’s really something. This really puts you in
connection with yourself, and once you start seeing yourself,
you start reaching out for help, because you see yourself, and
you’re a pretty ugly looking kid, you know. And this
God, who loves you, you start searching out and reaching out, in
your blindness, in your filth, that’s in your eyes and
everywhere else, and He reaches down and touches your hand and
says: “I am here.” And then helps clean you up.
But it starts with Sacred Silence, the silence that starts with
looking inward, and then looking outward.
the people who want to grow—and many have written to me—I
highly recommend certain books. In spite of your belief,
above all, start reading the Bible. Never mind what
you get out of it, reading, you don’t know what you’re doing
to your inner God-being, the one we call Nagual. This is
an angel inside of you who needs to eat like you need to eat.
Start reading your Bible. And seriously, I don’t
care what religion you’re from, or non-religion, ask God to
reveal Himself. It’s between Him and you, nobody else.
And watch out, if you’re serious.
I recommend the Bible. And for those who can afford
it, and really want to learn a little more about it, I recommend
a concordance. It’s a pretty expensive book, and any
pastor can tell you how to read it. After that, I
recommend the book by Tom Brown, Jr., called The Tracker,
and then, after that, the one by Tom Brown, Jr., again, called Awaken
Spirits. Read those two books in the order given: The
Tracker first; don’t cheat; then Awaken Spirits.
You will learn how to go into the Sacred Silence. You will
learn about duality of spirit, and you will, thus, learn what
the first book shows. By doing all of this, you can do the
impossible. The gentleman who taught Mr. Tom Brown, Jr.
was also one of my many, many teachers. Buy those books,
they’re $12.98 each; don’t cheat.
Cortright: I think we have those books,
Martin: I think we do.
Elk: Use those books; reread them. You will
connect. I call them pot-rated books, because you’re
sitting on the pot [toilet], while other people are
pounding to get in. And you say: “I’m not done with
that particular chapter. Go outside!”
Elk: I just love them. My wife, who is a
real hard-core-type Christian, or has been, she just fell in
love with them. And they sure open your eyes.
Martin: Thank you for recommending them.
Elk: Aho! Highly, highly—but please,
don’t deny that Word of God—I don’t care if you are
Buddhist, atheist, don’t deny it. You’re making one of
the biggest mistakes of your life. IT’S JUST BETWEEN YOU
AND GOD. I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT A RELIGION. I AM
NOT TALKING ABOUT CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONALISM. I AM
TALKING ABOUT THE BOOK THAT LEADS YOU TO THE ONLY WAY OF LIFE,
OTHER THAN DARKNESS—AND THAT IS LOVE.
let ’er close at that.
Cortright: That’s a good word to close it on.
Martin: Thank you, very much.
Cortright: That’s perfect.
Elk: Well, I don’t think you’ll be able to
get all that in.
Martin: We will, you’ll be surprised.
Elk: Half-spaced, tiny little letters?
Martin: (Laughter) We’ll make
Elk: I sound like a preacher, I can’t help
it. That’s the way I’ve been taught, and I learned
through it. And I found it all true. And we’re
taught to test everything. What you read, what you hear,
what you see, test it and see if it’s morally correct, and not
against the law. And if it’s needed, then do it.
can fly. All you’ve got to do is get into a child-like
mind. Be a 3-year-old again, pretend. And when you
forget you’re trying to fly, but you’re having such a ball
pretending, and you start yelling: “Weee, I can fly. I
can fly” to “Weee, I AM flying! I AM flying!”
Not a future event, but a NOW event. You WILL levitate.
All these things are possible. Get rid of all those
can’ts. That’s just positive trash.
I guess we’ll have to call it quits.
Martin: I’m full.
Elk: I’m full.
Martin: It’s been an honor.
Elk: No, the honor goes to Him, certainly not
Cortright: There you go.
Martin: We’ll thank you for all of our
readers. We know that our readers will be very
Elk: We’ll see; there’s no mistakes. We
know we can’t win ’em all. But, hopefully, we’ll
shake some minds. Whether they want to go back to sleep,
that’s their business.
a day or two later, one more question.]
Martin: I realized there was one additional
question that is quite important, that I did not ask you.
I’m sure people will be wondering. So, I wondered if I
could ask you now?
Elk: Why not.
Martin: There are many people who believe that
there are enlightened beings who live within the Earth in
beautiful cities of light, such as those found under Lake
Titicaca, under the Gobi Desert, under the North Pole, and under
Mt. Shasta. Is that correct? And if so, who are
Elk: I’m not sure if that’s dead correct,
because that’s where the cities are, you understand, some of
them. Right, let me make that clear. By saying
“such as” means that there ARE those kind of cities under
there. No! The only crystal cities that I’ve ever
seen, in all my life—I’m not even, to this day, sure if I
was looking at Heaven, or a great planet, but it wasn’t on
Martin: Are you familiar with Admiral Byrd, and
Elk: I’ve been familiar with Mr. Byrd since
11, or so.
Martin: He says that he went into the North
Pole, and met with these beings of Light, at the North Pole,
within the Earth, at the great entrance of the North Pole.
Now, who are these beings?
Elk: I’ve never seen them.
Martin: So, you don’t really know?
Elk: I have no idea if they still exist, or
not. There are a type of being that may be on the same
line as a Lighted being, and this was told to me by the Queen of
the Innerland. At least, she told me the name of them.
She called them Rock Flyers. She explained that they are a
form of spiritual being, but physical spiritual. They have
the ability to fly, and actually live in the stones, within the
rocks and stones themselves. And she inferred they are
some form of an Angel.
Martin: Now, would that be the entity who is
the soul of Earth?
Elk: No, no. She said they are the Angels
of her people, the fairies and stuff; she calls them the Totems,
as we do, and said: “As well as your people”—inferring
those who have Totems on the surface.
Mr. Waters, of Mel’s Hole, when he was on the air last [on
Art Bell’s radio program], he had quite an experience with
a living being. And that’s why I went to find out what
this was all about. And she said he had a very, very,
extremely rare case of one of these Rock Flyers taking shape
within this animal, in the only way it knew, in the only
opportunity it could, and coming up, and Mr. Waters had an
actual healing experience with his Totem, one of these Rock
Flyers, that can take on different forms.
Martin: That’s interesting to know that’s
what that was.
Elk: Well, that’s what she told me.
I’ve never run into Rock Flyers; I’ve seen many Totems.
Martin: Now, again, who told you this?
Elk: The Innerland Queen.
Martin: Is she a being of Light?
Martin: She’s in spirit?
Elk: Oh, no, no.
Martin: This is a real being?
Elk: She’s as real as the fairies and stuff.
I don’t even know her name. We’ve gotten, over time,
onto a fairly good relationship. In short, she never gets
totally upset with me, or anything. And I don’t have to
go in there bowing and scraping, and stuff like that. She
will send a messenger if she needs to see me, and wants to see
me. One of the elders will come and tell me so; then
we’ll make arrangements for a meeting time.
Martin: There is one person here who I work
with, who has done a lot of reading over the years, including
the Admiral Byrd material, and he’s always been under the
impression that in the very center of the Earth there is a Great
Sun. Is that a misunderstanding?
Elk: The only Great Sun that it would be, that
I have actually witnessed, in spirit I have gone right into it,
and that would be quite similar to our Sun out here, just molten
lava, and heat galore.
Martin: That’s in the dead center?
You’re talking lava within the center?
Elk: The # 1 level or layer, the so-called
ball. Actually, it is a ball. It’s round.
for Mr. Byrd’s going in through a hole. I’ve never
seen a large depression anywhere around the Earth like that.
And I cannot verify that this is true or not. I don’t
I do believe there is such a depression, kind-of like having a
large piece of clay pressed and warm in your hand, and press
down maybe an inch and a half thick, and then you take your
thumb and you press into it. The depression I’m speaking
of, then, with your thumb, curl under that depression to make
edges. That, if this is true, if there is such a place,
that is the way I perceive it as being. In short, it’s a
great cave, with the lid fallen-in.
Martin: But in terms of these “light
cities” that people talk about, like under Mt. Shasta, with
the Lemurians, supposedly, is that myth? Or, you just
don’t know, either way?
Elk: I could not say, either way. All I
know are the cities that I have personally seen, and these
cities are of pure stone—no electricity, no plastic, they’re
waiting for the returnees. They have these huge chests
that look like what they bury people in Egypt in, a sarcophagus,
similar but they don’t have that kind of carving and stuff,
but they’re made out of stone, too. And they fit really
tight, the lids. And in these chests—and it takes two
men, easily, to lift up the lid. In these chests are seeds
for planting. And the only ones I’ve ever seen them in
are seeds in linen, like cloth, so that when the Long Walkers
get there, or the Returnees, if you prefer, get there, they go
in with the knowledge of how to plant in the first place.
They don’t have tractors. It’s just like you could go
out there, and you know to make a row of corn. You’ve
got nothing to make it with. You can take a stick and make
Martin: Now, the Long Walkers—you’re
talking about the Hopi and the Navajo?
Elk: Yeah. That’s what the Long Walkers
are. But they aren’t the only ones who are going to go
in. They are the only ones who are called Long Walkers.
Martin: Have you ever made contact with the
soul of the Earth? The entity that represents this planet?
Elk: The actual entity of the soul of the
Earth, as far as I know—definitely no. I’ve never run
into an entity called the soul of the Earth. Frankly, the
Earth needs no soul. It’s doing nothing wrong.
It’s doing it’s job. Only those who have the will to
do, on a consistent basis, right or wrong, as they will it, have
soul. Therefore, all human beings, no matter what planet,
have souls. Everything else backs up the life of that
Heavens for dogs, Heavens for cats, Heavens for horses—I’ve
seen many of them; just beautiful. When a dog dies, I
don’t care how vicious the dog is here, it has done no wrong.
It might have been trained wrong, or whatnot, but it’s done no
wrong. Or, done wrong through madness, like rabies or
something, but it is free. It is just free. And
these animals, no matter what breed, and birds, and fish, all
kinds of things, this Heaven is a mass rolling cloud, for each
individual-type animal—you know, dogs for dogs, horses for
horses. And I say it’s like that. It’s a cloud
of pure—say we’re going to dog Heaven, right? It is a
cloud of absolutely pure dog awareness joy. It is
something else. I’ve had to help some animals into this
Heaven, including two or three of my own who were so attached to
us, they wanted to stay with us. No, it’s time for them
to go home and enjoy what’s there for them. So, I’ve
had to take them, in spirit actually take them, and show them
the place. And they look, cock their heads, and “Wow!”
I say: “It’s ok. Go!” And they just run and
leap into this, and just become one with this mass of joy.
I’ve gone up, occasionally, just to look. And this is
the only Heaven that I, literally, go up to on my own. The
rest of the time, I’m taken into the Heaven for us. By
the way, there are animals in that Heaven for us, too. And
what happens is, these animals from Dog Heaven, for instance,
they’re called by their former masters and they’ll just
transfer to there, and be with them. But they are
not “locked” into the human Heaven. They can go back
and forth. If they get tired of being around: “Sorry,
pop, I gotta go. I’ll be back later.” And bang,
off they go. This Heaven is a kick!