Dr. Mazlen
Today I am happy to have as a guest, Ahsen Jillani, an expert on vaccines and vaccine
safety who represents People Advocating Vaccine Education and he's on the line now live in
Charlotte, North Carolina. Welcome to our show Ahsen, we're delighted to have you as our
guest today.
Ahsen
Thank you doctor.
Dr. Mazlen
Well, it's certainly a good morning to have you as our guest this morning representing
PAVE. Could you tell us about your background, how you got interested in this and what you
are studying and what you are doing?
Ahsen
Well, at the outset I want to say that I'm not a medical practitioner by any means and I'm
not selling homeopathic or naturopathic remedy or anything like that which makes me pretty
dangerous in one sense. I'm basically just a parent who was very pessimistic, like a lot
of parents, when they first find out about vaccines and adverse reactions to vaccines and
I got into this basically because my wife started reading about the issue and like most
other people I laughed at her for about a year until she told the pediatrician that we
weren't going to vaccinate, which I did not have any knowledge of at that point until we
got a certified letter from the pediatrician dropping us from his practice. So, this kind
of started the ball rolling because I felt there was definitely something to this if the
pediatrician is reacting so violently to this because he didn't even offer to discuss the
issue. We think he just dropped us from the practice after about, I guess, three years of
being our doctor.
Dr. Mazlen
So you had a personal experience that led you into studying this. I understand you've been
studying this and working with PAVE for a while. Maybe you could just explain to our
listening audience what PAVE.
Ahsen
Well, basically, one thing we need to be careful about in this entire issue that it
remains a very personal decision and PAVE's aim is basically to get people linked up to
information and research sources. When they can do their own research because I think it
has become a very personal fight once you do make that important decision, if you do
decide against vaccinating, I think almost no one can help you dealing with the
beaurocracy and the various requirements and mandates that the states have set up
basically to vaccinate at different stages of a child's career or even an adult's career
because a lot of colleges are requiring vaccinations.
Dr. Mazlen So, basically, you're educating people, which, of course, I think is something we commend. I mean education and spreading of information is desirable. People, as you say, are entitled to make decisions for themselves on issues that are this personal. I certainly agree with you. Tell us more about what you are doing.
Ahsen
Well, you know, we know we have a web site that basically informs people about certain
Internet resources, but also for a minimal membership fee we have a newsletter that
updates people on various developments in the vaccine issue and a lot of the political
developments that happen in Washington concerning vaccines. That is one part of the issue
I had never thought would exist because your feeling is that after 40 - 45 years of
history a product would be monitored extremely well by the government which is not the
case at all, once you get into the research.
Dr. Mazlen
We're certainly going to touch on that. We have a caller now on the line who wants to
discuss the flu vaccine. Janet in Manhattan, what is your question.
Janet,
Well, regarding the flu vaccine, they tell you now, get the flu vaccine because you would
rather get the flu vaccine than get the flu. The feeling is that from what I could learn
there is absolutely no double-blind study ever made that the flu vaccine really works.
Also, last year they told you that they gave out more flu vaccine than ever and they had
more flu than ever. And the flu vaccine is biogeneticly engineered and there's a lot of
viruses. Also when you go to the Board of Health and get the flu vaccine, you have to sign
a paper that you might drop dead or get that fancy name sydrome which is really paralysis.
When you go to a private doctor he doesn't tell you that. I want to have your opinion on
the flu vaccine.
Dr. Mazlen
OK, Ahsen, you want to comment on the flu vaccine and efficacy. She mentions that there is
no double blind study versus placebo.
Ahsen
Several things that Janet mentioned I think are very relevant. Double blind studies
basically don't exist in most areas of vaccination because the government has always
maintained that it is unethical to pit vaccinated people against unvaccinated people to
conduct a study. So you are relying on antibody counts in most of these studies, which, of
course, considering that measles epidemics are now breaking out in schools which are 99 -
100% vaccinated, are not very reliable any more. We are discovering that is a crude
indicator of actually contracting the disease. And secondly, as far as the efficacy of the
flu vaccine, my understanding is it is developed based on the projection of what the virus
is going to be in the following year, but a virus mutates to the point by the time the
vaccine is introduced to the point where it may not do you any good to get the vaccine.
Dr. Mazlen
That's certainly a valid point. They're expecting possibly one mutation already this year.
Janet, I want to thank you for calling and I want to give you the address for the PAVE
organization, they have a newsletter which you can write to Ahsen Jillani at PO. Box
36701, Charlotte, NC 28236. Ahsen, I want to talk to you about the SV-40, virus retrovirus
contamination, the problem which was just acknowledged in 1996. I think I want to spend a
few minutes with you about that and for patients, that have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome to
discuss the possibility of contamination by the so-called stealth viruses or CMV-mutants
such as have been worked on in California by Dr. John Martin who's a basic scientist and
Dr. Donovan J. Anderson who's been handling patients, actually, in the Mohave Valley where
there's an outbreak.
(Break)
Hi, everybody we're back from the break with our guest Ahsen Jillani from Charlotte, NC who's a former newspaper editor, the editor of the Mecklenberg Times and also is a publisher of Sandstone Publishing and I want to start off this segment talking about the measles vaccine. There's an article in the Medical Tribune on Oct. 9th dealing with the measles and inflammatory bowel disease. Now they quote a study that found measles DNA in granulomas from patients with Crohn's disease and he actually says, the author of this article, Dr. Joseph Levy, "At present," he says, "no one really knows whether the measles vaccine can contribute to the development of inflammatory bowel disease." That's a direct quote from this article. What is your thinking about that? What do you have in the information packets about this vaccine.
Ahsen
Basically, since this is fairly new research, I just read some news briefs and was talking
briefly with you earlier about this. The tremendous danger in these studies is that
basically when somebody says that more research it pretty no research will ever be
produced on the material because the research has to be financed by some source that has
an interest in discovering the cause of the disease and this has happened time and again
in vaccines where they did studies that when someone has found real relevant links they
have been unable to find any backing from government or pharmaceutical sources. I think
the government has no interest in pumping millions of dollars into a study that will
implicate them sometime in the future for contaminating everyone's blood supply.
Dr. Mazlen
Also, he goes on to say, and I'm quoting him again, "But if there is a very strong
history of Crohn's disease, I might think twice before vaccinating against measles."
And that's a quote from this Dr. Joseph Levy who's a gastroenterologist. Does any of your
literature, at least that you're distributing, point to that caution in patients?
Ahsen
Not specifically Crohn's disease, but one trend that has become very obvious, especially
in the government studies and, of course, issued by the Advisory Committee for
Immunization Practices and even the Institute of Medicine which basically makes
recommendations to the various federal agencies and it's supposed to be an objective arm
of government, most of the time they do not acknowledge links between chronic disease and
vaccinations. It is very rare that they would acknowledge anything. They acknowledged
earlier in the year a link between DPTs and anaphylactic shock and MMR vaccine and acute
and chronic arthritis in women but even that was asking a lot of the government because
there was a long list of things that they had to considered and they acknowledged only two
small portions of that. The actual adverse reactions are monitored by a different federal
agencies and those guidelines are gradually being tightened to the point that almost no
one will qualify for any kind of a vaccine reaction unless you pretty much drop dead
instantly after a vaccine which is extremely rare. I would say dropping dead may be one in
a million, but the other reactions are fairly common.
Dr. Mazlen
I want to talk to you Ahsen about the SV-40, the monkey retrovirus which has been used in
millions of people through the polio vaccine. What information have you about that. I've
had a number of patients through the years who've come in claiming that they've had
problems from it. In fact, one of my family members, I believe, has had problems from
recurring episodes related to SV-40 contamination of the polio virus.
Ahsen
Right, the earlier virus that was coming from the Rhesus monkeys used for the polio
vaccine in the 50's was SV-40 and even with fairly unsophisticated screening they had in
those days, for screening they discovered 40 retroviruses, in monkey tissue, so at that
point after the discovery of SV-40 they switched to the African Green monkey to basically
create the vaccines and there is now research indicating, including Dr. Martin, as you had
mentioned earlier, that the African Green monkey may be causing a different kind of
contamination which we don't even know much about at this point.
Dr. Mazlen
The reason why this ties in with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome obviously, although it may not
be at first obvious to people who are listening, is that people with Chronic Fatigue
Syndrome are already immunosuppressed, so if there is anything else that will be given to
them or done to them which would suppress their immune system further, it stands to reason
that it could prolong their recovery, retard their recovery or even prevent their recovery
from this illness which is what the relevancy is of what we are discussing here with Ahsen
Jillani from the organization PAVE in Charlotte and his address there where you can write
to him is PO BOX 36701, Charlotte, NC 28236. What do you know about the African Green
Monkey and the Stealth Virus. Have you been able to come up with any information on that
type of contamination. You just mentioned it briefly.
Ahsen
That is a very complex issue because these are viruses that are not detectable by
traditional allopathic means that we have used for the greater part of this century. So
that makes the virus almost undetectable if you run into an emergency room and they run
tests on you, so you need sophisticated equipment and that is a very important factor in
the whole stealth virus issue that I think this is just the beginning of our discovery
that contamination with animal tissue could be causing major problems in our gene pool. We
had never considered that because we would do basic screening for obvious viruses from
animal sources, but now we're finding out that there's a micro world way beyond what we
can screen for that possibly is contaminating our blood supply when you're given these
vaccines grown on animal tissue.
Dr. Mazlen
Certainly, this is an issue that needs further exploration, it needs funding and it needs
some emphasis and I think it's going to see it. I just want to point out to our listening
audience that I've had two people in my practice who've recently come back to New York
from Arizona, both of whom test positive for the Mohave Valley stealth virus and were
apparently involved in that outbreak there, even though they were residing about a 100
miles away. So this is a very moot issue and it needs a lot of attention.
I want to talk now to you, Ahsen, about the things that have been linked to some of the vaccines, such as SIDS, HIV, cancer. What's some of the information that's available on that in terms of what you're getting? Ahsen Well, I think we need to understand the entire loop that the vaccine issue is basically in at an international level. The US is in a position, basically to summarize all this, to prove very good vaccine statistics because of it's claimed leadership in health care. So, that is one that they will not let slip, even if it entails sacrificing a few people. And essentially, asking the medical community about the benefits of vaccines is a completely moot point, because doctors are not in the business of blasting the tools they use to cure you. They will take the recommendations that the pharmaceutical companies or the federal government have given them. So, it is always nice to say go ask the doctor who will immediately tell you that there is a one in a million risk, it's a safe product and all this other stuff that you hear all the time, which, of course, not a single study says that it's one in a million. Basically there's a voluntary program to report vaccine adverse reactions, it's called Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System in the Federal and you can report the reactions yourself, if you feel like the doctor is not doing it. But most doctors, of course, are reluctant to report any kind of a reaction to vaccines because they consider that to be a safe product. The fact, the average vaccine is not only full of animal tissue which is diseased animal tissue because that's how they grow the viruses on them, but it is also full of formaldehyde and aluminum salts and mercury other adjuvant stabilizers.
Dr. Mazlen
You're pointing out the potential for hypersensitivity or allergy reactions which is
certainly well-founded.
Ahsen
Right, and the allergy reactions have gone to the point where pharamaceutical inserts that
came with the vaccines in the mid 80's even mentioned things like SIDS with DPT. They have
gradually been dropped because of heavy politicizing on this issue because no one wants to
link SIDS which causes 5000 - 7000 deaths a year in America, I believe, to a vaccine. But
it has been proven in other places like Japan which dropped DPT off the schedule until age
2, that SIDS does drop dramatically right after DPT is taken off the early childhood
schedule. So there is some evidence and there is some reseacrh indicating that a lot of
these diseases are linked to vaccines but I think to have the government fund any research
in this area is very very tough because they will not admit that a policy they claim saves
a lot of lives is going to also cause a lot of damage.
Transcribed by
Carolyn Viviani
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