Role of bioengineering in CFS, GWS & AIDS
CFS Radio Program

Dec. 19th, 1999
Roger G. Mazlen, M.D. Host
with
Donald W. Scott http://www.carolsweb.net/ccf/
http://member.aol.com/rgm1/private/transcr.htm

Dr. Mazlen
Our guest is waiting from Canada and be with us shortly. We're going to be talking with Don W. Scott, the author of the Brucellosis Triangle. Interestingly enough, Donald Scott was our guest on the year end show in 1998. He was here on the show the 20th of December and we're here again at the year end show and we're going to follow up and it's going to be a really exciting and interesting follow-up. We're going about basically, infectious diseases for which our Chronic Fatigue Syndrome audience are particularly susceptible, most of them being significantly immunosuppressed and vulnerable to just about anything that's contagious that comes along. So they should be listening carefully. Now, we're going to talk about the West Nile Virus, which was present with us here in New York during the late summer. The West Nile Virus appeared in New York and then was found in Connecticut and New Jersey. It's mosquito-borne. It killed 7 people in those three states before the summer was over and it's been predicted, and I'm quoting from the New York Times in an article published on December 15th, they said "The virus would likely re-emerge next spring when mosquitoes come out of hibernation." This quote is from health experts testifying before the United States Senate. So, with that, we're going to kick off and talk to Donald W. Scott because he has some news for our listening audience about where this West Nile Virus may actually have come from. We're not saying we know it for sure, and we're not documenting it but we want to present you with some facts. Hi Donald, welcome to the show.

Don Scott
Good morning, it's nice to be here.

Dr. Mazlen
And I'd like you to tell our audience something about the information that you have from the Riegle Committee with regard to this West Nile Virus.

Don Scott
As you and many of your listeners will recall, when the West Nile Virus was first identified, official government sources said, "well this is very strange because there has never been any West Nile virus in continental United States that we ever knew of." However, if one turns to the Riegle Report which was authored and supervised in its compilation by Donald Riegle who was a senator from Michigan, one will find that on May 21st, 1985, the United States had a supply of West Nile virus in the United States and that they shipped a quantity of that to Suddam Hussein. And that was in 1985 so that Suddam could use it against Iran with whom Iraq, at that point, was at war. So, there was West Nile virus in the United States well before 1985. It was shipped in 1985. There are still stocks of such a virus in the United States and the possibilities are two as to where the current outbreak came from. 1. Either accidentally from local facilities such as Plum Island there was an inadvertent escape of the virus on the mosquitoes or other insects or, there is always the possibility that one of Suddam Hussein's agents returned to the United States and was able to release a quantity of West Nile virus.

Dr. Mazlen
Well, I hope everybody's listening because you all have Congressman and Senators and public officials that you might know and you might be able to ask them about this and ask them to inquire about where this West Nile virus went when it got to Iraq. One thing I want to point out, and Donald, you can listen to this because this was also recently in the newspaper in New York, it was in the New York Times on the 5th of December and it's a quote. It says, "The scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta using scientific techniques," I'm paraphrasing that, "have also independently determined that the West Nile virus found in New York is very close to one isolated in 1998 from a stork in Israel" which is not far from Iraq. So, we have another way that it could have come around and rejoined us here in the United States because for all we know Iraq found a way to get it into Israel with whom they have no friendly relations. In fact, they're still at war with Israel.

Don Scott
Yes, people who know the migrating patterns of birds can infect that particular type of bird and release it in such an area that they know its migratory pattern would be over a selected country and if your congressman or your senator says, "well, give us some proof" tell them to get out the Riegle Report, published by the Congressional Printing Office and turn to page 47 and check the date, May 21st, 1985 and they will see that lo and behold, West Nile virus was shipped from the United States to Iraq on that date.

Dr. Mazlen
And, of course, we don't even know whether or not is was possibly even used in the Gulf War which is another subject we'll be turning to shortly. I want to also point out, that you're the author of the book, the Brucellosis Triangle and so we're going to stop next at another agent, that was shipped to Iraq and you have evidence of that, also, which was the agent, brucella melitensis, and tell us about that, because we also sent that over there.

Don Scott
Yes, they did. Brucellosis was a disease known for thousands of years actually, but in 1942 Canada, the United States and Great Britain entered into a secret agreement to take the brucellosis bacteria and make it more contagious and more virulent and to weaponize it, make it such that it would do serious damage to an enemy and they came up with a variant which they had tested in a number of places in Canada, the United States and Britain as well as other countries and they had indeed weaponized brucellosis. And when Iraq was at war with Iran, and Iraq wanted biological weapons to use against Iran who was winning that war, the United States shipped a supply of brucella melitensis bio type I and bio type III from the American type culture collection in Rockville, Maryland. They shipped that to Iraq and said, here you go, let this stuff out over Iran, it won't kill all the civilians that you're targeting, but it will produce a disease known as chronic fatigue as well as several other serious symptoms. So, in the Riegle report, lo and behold, that our research was confirmed. Brucella melitensis was shipped to Iraq from the United States and that evidence is found on page 41 of the Riegle report.

Dr. Mazlen
Now, just a quick aside. It's labeled as a class 3 pathogen. I presume that means it's fairly detrimental.

Don Scott
Yes, that means it's disabling but not deadly.

Dr. Mazlen
OK, for the audience so that they get an idea of how they classify these things.

Don Scott
Yes, well Donald Riegle spelled it out on page 38 of his report when he said, brucella melitensis is bacteria which can cause chronic fatigue, loss of appetite, profuse sweating when at rest, pain in joints and muscles, insomnia, nausea and damage to major organs which includes the heart, the liver and so on. Now, not only are you describing Chronic Fatigue Syndrome with that description, you're also describing Gulf War Illness. In other words, Suddam Hussein used the brucella melitensis that had been shipped to him against the Desert Storm forces in the Desert Storm attack of 1991.

Dr. Mazlen
I just want to ask Donald, where do you want people to contact you about this topic or about your book, the Brucellosis Triangle?

Don Scott
They can reach me at Box 133, Station B, Sudbury, Canada, P3E 4N5. And for this particular show's listening audience, I would like to indicate that if they want a copy of the Brucellosis Triangle which details the development of the weaponized Brucellosis bacteria, they can send a $20 check to me, Don Scott, at the address given and that $20 check will get them the Brucellosis Triangle which is regularly $21.95, but I will put in, in addition, a copy of our new Journal of Degenerative Diseases which covers all of the neurodegenerative diseases and especially in a series on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and I will also put in 10 pages of documents on history from congressional records including the June 9th, 1969 congressional meeting that may get to speak about, NSSM 200 (National Security Study Memorandum 200) by Henry Kissinger and pages from the Riegle report, so they can see for themselves why this disease that has existed for thousands of years suddenly erupted in two forms, one disabling, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and one lethal as AIDS. $20 will get you that whole package because we want people to see this for themselves.

Dr. Mazlen
And I can understand your willingness to do this to get it out and it's appreciated. I want to stop you there because I want to talk to you about the reason why, as you had said to me, why the Desert Storm attack was halted after 100 hours of amazing progress against Iraqi forces. What happened there?

Don Scott
Well, when the Desert Storm attack was launched, they were, of course, going great guns. They would have been in Baghdad in another 12 hours, as everybody knows. However, there were a series of scud explosions, somewhere close to 24 scud explosions, which did not shower shrapnel down upon the Desert Storm forces, but instead seemed to emit nothing but kind of a blue haze. Well, those scud missiles, plain and simply were armed with brucella melitensis as well as some other toxic agents. Now the other toxic agents included mustard gas, for example. They weren't trying to kill anybody with the mustard gas, they just wanted to make sure that the people being attacked knew they were being attacked. The people in the intelligence branch knew immediately from the 14,000 biological alarms that went off all up and down the front that they were being hit by brucella melitensis and they knew that thousands of veterans in the Desert Storm would become ill with Gulf War Illness. However, they also knew something else. They knew that back in 1985 and on other dates, the United States had not only provided brucella melitensis to the Iraqis, they had also provided anthrax. There were several shipments of anthrax to Iraq for use against Iran and the allied intelligence forces knew that when this melitensis attack occurred, the next volley of scuds would be armed with anthrax unless Desert Storm stopped dead in it's tracks, and George Bush new this. He phoned Schwartzkof in the middle of the night and he said "stop where you are," and Schwartzkof--we've got this in news accounts from the period--said "why is that Bob, things are going great," and George Bush said "I can't talk to you about it now, but stop where you are, don't move another foot," and Desert Storm stopped short of Baghdad, left Suddam Hussein in power because if they didn't stop, the next volley of scud missiles would be armed with anthrax and at 10% fatality rate there would be 70,000 dead allied troops on the desert within the next week. They stopped Desert Storm dead in its tracks, they began to withdraw two weeks later, Suddam Hussein is still in power and the leaders of most of the allied countries are out of power.

Dr. Mazlen
Well, that's a certainly striking story and we'd love to hear more about the documents or the information as to the phone call, as to what information Bush had gotten from national or military security sources. We just have a few minutes here but we need to cover a couple of quick important topics because mycoplasma are found in between 40 to 60% of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome patients and Gulf War patients as well have a huge prevalence of it. Where's the connection here and how does it relate to cancer, Don?

Don Scott
The mycoplasma is, as you know, a fragment of bacterial DNA and this particular fragment varies with the bacteria from which it was derived. The National Academy of Science, in 1995 in Washington, D.C. received a presentation from a group of top line microbiologists who had by experiment determined that there is a linkage between the mycoplasma fermentans incognitus strain and cancer. Now, we did not know of this, even though it was back in 1995, the report was made at that time, but for some reason or other mainstream medicine and the National Institutes of Health and so on do not seem to have done very much to make it common knowledge. Now, we have secured, as anybody can secure, and we will provide a copy if you want to write to us--they'd have to pay the cost of copying--but we have secured a copy of the report that clearly links or suggest very strongly that there's a linkage between the mycoplasma fermentans incognitus and cancer. That was the National Academy of Science, Washington, D.C., 1995.

Dr. Mazlen
That's startling and very important. Just quickly, what is the story in terms of the AIDS virus as you see it?

Don Scott
Well on June, 9th, 1969 Dr. Donald McArthur of Pentagon Biological Warfare research branch spoke to several congressmen in a top secret meeting and he told those congressmen if they voted him an additional 10 million dollars, the Pentagon would have within a 10 year period a new microorganism, one which does not naturally exist and for which, these are his words "no immunity could have been acquired." In other words, he promised the congressmen that if you give us 10 million dollars and 10 years we will give you the AIDS virus and you will be able to use that AIDS virus in strategic warfare, which means such things as reducing the population of certain target countries and that is in the hearings of June 9th, 1969 and that page is one of the pages that I will provide to anybody that wants to send me the $20 for the Brucellosis Triangle. I'll send them that page and I'll send them other relevant pages so they can see for themselves that AIDS and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome were both diseases that were engineered in biological warfare research laboratories. There's no doubt when you read these documents, which are government documents, achieved under freedom of information.

Dr. Mazlen
OK, now one quick thing. On our last show we mentioned about the mosquitoes that were raised and infected. Just very quickly how many mosquitoes were raised back when this happened and infected with these biological agents?

Don Scott
Yes, the Canadian government agreed to cooperate with the American government, and in Belleville, Ontario, the dominion parasite laboratory back in the 1950's and 1960's and into the 80's the dominion parasite laboratory raised 100 million mosquitoes a month which were transferred to certain universities to be contaminated with certain disease agents such as the disease agent that causes Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and these were then let out in a controlled way in certain communities so the the community could be studied to see how effective the mosquito was as a vector.

Transcribed by 

Carolyn Viviani 
carolynv@inx.net  

Permission is given to repost, copy and distribute this transcript as long as my name is not removed from it. 

1999 Roger G. Mazlen, M.D.