Adverse Reactions

The science delusion

Harradine said:

There's not much point in criticising Dawkins or any other indivdual.  Even worse, to criticise the scientific method just demonstrates ignorance of what it is.   That's hardly surprising, most people have no way of knowling what science actually is because there only introduction to it is via the media, which doesn't understand it either.

Rather than critise Dawkins, just think about what it is he suggests:  Provide evidence to support what you say.  It is not an easy thing to do, and a very difficult thing to do well.  But its important to decide whether one's beleif as rational (based on a prerequisite for evidence) or irrational (not requiring evidence or refuting it when it contradcits your beliefs).  If you admit to being irrational, then back away slowly from rational debate.  Irrational beliefs belong in the dark ages.

November 4, 2007 15:58

whale said:


Allopathy has to reply on atheism to sell the lie nature can't do medicine.  His promotion of allopathy and attack on homeopathy is blatant allopathic propaganda that we see from the likes of Ben Goldacre.  Allopathy has yet to cure anything aprt from bacterial infections, and he avoids things like Vitamin C cure for infections, known for 50 years, with 1,200 scientific references to back it up.  pathetic really, but par for the course from Satan's Vicar.

And anyone with spiritual experience can see the Dawkins game---attack the religious people who don't have any.  And avoid the mystics, shamans etc like John lilly.

November 23, 2007 12:45

Harradine said:

Whale, Do you really think that allopaths have some agenda to promote propoganda?  

I'll tell you what it is in Dawkins case- he intellectual requirment for evidence to support all things.  His dislike for anyone who holds irrational, unreasonable beleifs.  

Why don't you actually join the beate and lets dicsuss some evidence instead of attacking people and suggesting they are all part of some big scary club?  Wouldn't that be more, well.. grown up?

November 25, 2007 14:56

whale said:

Allopathy would die without propaganda (aka mind control), it is the only thing that holds it up, I collect the propaganda ploys

You need it to hide some nasty facts, like the Allopathic monopoly

Allopathic hoaxes like vaccination

Dawkins, just another propagandist for the lie of Atheism, a very important part of Allopathy.  So he is, in effect, propping up Fascist medicine.  His pathetic attacks on religious people, homeopathy, dowsing etc leave him open.  If he likes to dish it out.

"To teach the Rockefeller drug ideology, it is necessary to teach that Nature didn't know what she was doing when she made the human body.-------Hans Ruesch

It is very grown up to point out the mind control, the Matrix of Fascism.

"But today in the United States, and this shows you where fascism REALLY exists, ANY doctor in the United States who cures cancer using alternative methods will be destroyed. You cannot name me a doctor doing well with cancer using alternative therapies that is not under attack. And I KNOW these people; I've interviewed them."---Gary Null (1994)

November 25, 2007 16:19

harradine said:

There is a very good reason why Doctors would be in trouble if the began using homeopathy right now- it doesn't work.  If you use homeopathy for example, to protect you against tropical diseases, then you wont be protected frm any of those diseases and may well contract one.  The Doctors job is not to try out purified water, unless there is some good evidence that it does work and then then should use it, of course.  

What does Atheism have to do with evidence based medicine, allopathy, in your view?  What is the connection there?

I don't think Dawkins attack are pathetic.  To me he seems to ask for evidence from people who become terrible offended when you ask them for it.  He's a scientist- there job is to ask people for evidence.  They do it all day every day.  That's what science is.  Research and experiment are the means of providing evidence.  

November 25, 2007 18:07

whale said:

Of course you don't, you both use the same hymnsheet.

"There is a very good reason why Doctors would be in trouble if the began using homeopathy right now- it doesn't work. "

The real reason Allopaths can't use homeopathy is because it isn't Allopathic medicine.

having said that my GP will advise on homeopathic remedies, and numerous MDs use homeopathy, the best example being

My local one did 4 years Allopathic training before he saw it was useless and changed camp.

"What does Atheism have to do with evidence based medicine, allopathy, in your view?  What is the connection there?"

If it was 'evidence based medicine' you wouldn't need to say it all the time, that is basic propagnada --repetition  Like 'vaccine preventable disease'

With atheism you can get people to believe in any old thing, like Allopathy covertly

then they will easily believe herbs are useless in their natural state and need tweaking by pharma barons, when the exact opposite is true, and they need protecting by the robber pharma barons through vaccines etc

and Atheism is the main wall that Big Brother hides behind---if there is no God then there is no Devil, which is his main defence, invisibility.

it is quite a pointer to the true nature of allopathy that is has absolutely no spiritual pretensions whatsoever.  No soul, souless.  No conscience.  Psychopathy.

and the main creator of Allopathy, JDR, was one, no suprise there